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[ox-en] Alienated qualities of a group WAS Re: Niall's wisdom

Hi Stefan,
There is always something in Niall's post which need addressing, and in most if not all there is something that clarifies my thought at least. 

Today Stefan wrote:


Hi Niall!
[snip].... I for one
decided not wasting my time any longer replying to you because IMO it
simply makes no sense.



04/02/04 01:44


... And read this bit from his reply to Raj:
It is after all why I'm on this list and have spent hours each night for the last week constructing each reply I send.
I'm working hard to answer your email of 30/12/03 11:50 Re: Primacy of State, in which you wrote: 


2 months (71 days) ago Adam Moran wrote:



2. 	Primacy of State




First of all: What do you mean by "state"?
every community has the telos to be a state of some kind ;) - a state is a fully developed community; it is a political community 


I guess I understand what you mean. This reminds me very much of parts
of the OHA debate in the German list. If I'm right this has been
debated hot there. I thinks this is what has been marked as
transcendent (as used in "Empire") or as alienated (as used by me)
qualities of a group.

However, this use of the word "state" is a bit unusual, isn't it. Thus
it invites misunderstanding. Could there be a better word?
I'm open to suggestions ... but that is what one normally calls these things ;) 

Can I ask you a few ?

To where are the qualities of the group alienated ?
Isn't it a particular essence of the *I* that is alienated into the *We* in our society ?
If this is the case, then would this mean that our particular essence once alienated into the group is no longer lost but shared and returned in a crystalline form ? 

--
Adam
"I was told later that there is a striking chemical phenomenon that can be demonstrated with supersaturated solution of anhydrous sodium acetate, cooled below its normal freezing point of around room temperature. A single tiny flake of the solid chemical is dropped into the supercooled solution ... and within moments the entire volume of the liquid undergoes a swift phase change, becoming a solid crystalline mass." Julian May - The Magnificat 

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