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[ox-en] Re: GlobalVillages

Hi Franz and all!

Allow me a few questions on this concept. They are probably not new
but have not been discussed in this context and so may lead to
interesting results.

3 months (111 days) ago Franz Nahrada wrote:
Many groups in many different countries are currently working on the idea
of a new 21st century village. One could also call it the new
Post-Industrial Village. This New Village will be  dramatically different
from what villages and rural life have been like in the past.

When this is not a village why do you call it a village?

Two main points can be made quickly:

1.	The Post-Industrial village will combine the best of the rural past

The best in which sense? What things do you consider the best of the
rural past?

with the very best of what the cosmopolitan cities formerly had to offer.
They will not be backwards and isolated, but will instead be
internet-connected to the latest developments in science and technology.

Is Internet connection the main advantage of cities? I don't think so.

They will use these to manufacture 80% of the products one needs for a
fulfilling and pleasurable modern life directly for themselves

Why is it useful to have this high level of local production? What are
the costs (not in a monetary sense) to accomplish this level of local

? many of
them in their own crucially important Community Centers. In these Centers
they will also learn and develop skills, but also play and engage in
sports. There they will also have access to every piece of music that was
ever composed and to every book that was ever written. Life in these New
Villages will therefore be incomparably more interesting and exciting, and
also far less dominated by spirit-extinguishing work than was true in the

2.	The development of this Post-Industrial life in villages and rural
regions is of the most urgent and pressing necessity: In all countries a
huge migration from the country into the cities is now occurring. The
results are slums, violence, unemployment and genocidal poverty.

What you describe are the effects of early capitalism - i.e. the
social restructuring required by the shift to industrialized
production. Why is migration from rural areas to cities *as such* a

migration can be reversed only if a genuinely new form of life evolves in
the villages of the world.

Why should it be reversed?


One cannot grow food, nor animals -- for that matter, one cannot live --
without water, hence the whole complex of activities dealing with
sanitation, sewage, the possible production of bio-gas, the re-cycling and
filtration and the purification of water must begin simultaneously with
the raising of crops.

What you are describing here is nowadays solved by some large
infrastructure which often is not really local in the sense of a
village. Among other things this partially leads to efficient
operation. Why do you think that this is bad? What about centralized
groups of people caring for such large infrastructure and who are able
to allocate resources in an optimal way?

becoming far more self-reliant and independent also in this most personal

Independence reads to me as the ultimate bourgeoise dream. Each Free
Software project on the other hand is all but an independent thing. In
the contrary any software builds upon masses of other software and
thus independence can even not be wished for. Why do you think
independence is useful? What is accomplished by independence if we
look at the example Free Software gives?

						Mit Freien Grüßen


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