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The attempt of Stefan Merten to change the subject line of this dialogue I guess summarizes pretty well what has been going here for a long time: a founder/moderator maintaining an iron grip on a project, not possible of letting go, covering himself up endlessly with postive sounding, legal and polically correct rethoric.
The problem is of course bigger than that. There is an interesting Oexonux theory and a dirty reality out there--and the gap between these two is becoming bigger by the day. Yet, this cannot really be discussed. The debate are becoming less and less and are going in circles exactly because the definitions might be in principle right... but they do not explain anything much, nor do they connect to a radical political practice in the field of floss (which is what really should be a worry).
The fact that floss perfectly fits into capitalism is indeed too bad, strange, to be expected, very good... yes, indeed... what? 

Best, Geert




On 5 Dec 2005, at 12:36 PM, Michael Bouwens wrote:


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Geert,
You are very short with your critique. Do you mean the trend that it is increasingly embedded in the market economy?
Are these issues discussed in a better way in other forums? Can we learn something from them? 

  Michel

"Geert Lovink [c]" <geert xs4all.nl> wrote:
On 4 Dec 2005, at 2:54 PM, Franz Nahrada wrote:


We are in a major shift here


Which major shift? I must have missed something. All I see on this list
is stagnation, repetition of arguments and a major disengagement with
the complex world of floss and where it is heading.

Geert




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