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Re: [ox-en] The Ideology of Free Culture and the Grammar of Sabotage



Mine was not meant to be abusive ...

and Dmytri, there is really no need to psychologize arguments, like "being defensive", I can't speak for Graham, but it does certainly not correspond to my feeling and intention.

I was just legitimately pointing to the misinterpretation and straw men argument that starts the argument, and the mouse born of the elephantine effort at the end, the sabotage proposal.

By contrast, the oekonux community, far from ignoring the class struggle, is co-constructing an understanding of the most important social processes of the day, and each in our own way, are collaborating on the construction of the new world, by actively creating and supporting various open and free initiatives, something altogether different than merely sabotaging.

I try to be positive in most of my dialogues, but I can entirely understand that Graham is fed up with the nihilism that is exhibited in some quarters, it leads nowhere, and in fact, it is there that the 'whining' is located, if anywhere,

See below, something seems wrong in my reply function, i.e. very short line breaks, anyone with an idea of how to change this?

Michel


----- Original Message ----
From: graham <graham theseamans.net>
To: list-en oekonux.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 3:02:37 AM
Subject: Re: [ox-en] The Ideology of Free Culture and the Grammar of Sabotage

Dmytri

Kleiner

wrote:




Michel,

it

is

disappointing

that

the

responses

of

Graham

and

yourself

are


so


defensive,

responding

to

factual,

logical

and

philosophical

criticism

by


playing

martyr

(especially

Graham's

whining

response)

and

so

invested

in


creating

fallacious

false

dilemmas

as

the

one

above.

Dimytri,

Matteo's

article

is

anything

but

'factual,

logical

and
philosophical';

it

is

an

exercise

in

rhetoric

from

a

school

whose
closest

kin

is

Juenger 

cross-bred

with

d'Annunzio.

If

I

came

over

as
whining,

that

is

not

what

I

meant;

I

meant

to

be

abusive.


Graham


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