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Re: Peer governance (was: Re: [ox-en] Terminology: Peer X?)



Hi Stefan,

I'm not sure what exactly is the wishful thinking you refer to, if I understand correctly, with Christian's position here in this context. Thanks for elaborating,

Michel

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From: Stefan Merten <smerten oekonux.de>
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Subject: Peer governance (was: Re: [ox-en] Terminology: Peer X?)

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Hi

Christian

and

all!

2

months

(62

days)

ago

Michael

Bauwens

wrote:


one

of

the

most

famous

experts

on

governance,

bob

jessop,

includes

self-organization

under

governance

....



decision-making,

consensus,

all

these

form

part

of

governance,

even

if

the

community

'governs

itself'

...

Generally

I

agree

with

Michel's

explanation

that

governance

as

a
notion

describes

a

phenomenon.

That's

pretty

much

the

correct

term

of
what

I

called

OHA

(German,

translated:

Organization,

Domination,
Anarchy)

some

time

ago

(and

for

which

there

seems

to

be

no

good

word
in

German,

especially

because

"Herrschaft"

being

the

technical

term
for

it

is

not

accepted

in

general).

However,

I

sense

a

lot

of

wishful

thinking

here.

2

months

(63

days)

ago

Christian

Siefkes

wrote:


Stefan

Merten

wrote:


4

days

ago

Christian

Siefkes

wrote:


But

I

would

be

careful

about

attaching

a

new

prefix

to

old

terms,

since

the


old

terms

might

not

just

give

up

their

old

meaning.

There

is

a

reason

we


talk

about

"presidents",

not

about

"democratic

kings".



Therefore,

I

don't

talk

about

"peer

governance"

in

my

book,

but

simply

about


"decision

making

and

conflict

resolution",

since

I

think

that

these

are

the


two

aspects

of

governance

that

remain

relevant

in

a

peer

context,

while


other

aspects

of

governance-as-we-know-it-today

no

longer

matter.



But

that's

also

true

for

production,

isn't

it?

Or

wouldn't

you

think


that

sweat

shops

-

which

are

typical

for

some

of

today

production


processes

-

would

vanish?



Yup.

But

let's

look

at

the

definitions

of

these

terms

(from

dictionary.com):



gov·ern·ance


1.   

government;

exercise

of

authority;

control.


2.   

a

method

or

system

of

government

or

management.



pro·duc·tion


1.   

the

act

of

producing;

creation;

manufacture.


...



pro·duce


1.   

to

bring

into

existence;

give

rise

to;

cause.


2.   

to

bring

into

existence

by

intellectual

or

creative

ability.


3.   

to

make

or

manufacture.


...



I

don't

think

that

"government",

"exercise

of

authority",

or

"control"

are


adequate

terms

for

the

decision

making

and

conflict

resolution

processes

we


can

observe

in

free

software/free

culture

products,

and

even

"management"


sounds

a

bit

far-fetched.

Sorry,

but

I

strongly

disagree.

What

would

you

call

it

if

a

maintainer
in

a

Free

Software

project

decides

something

where

no

decision

comes
about

from

itself?

That's

clearly

"exercise

of

authority".

If

the
maintainer

would

not

have

this

authority

s/he

would

not

be

able

to

be
maintainer

at

all.

I

mean

it

makes

a

difference

if

a

maintainer

says
something

or

-

for

instance

-

a

troll.

And

that

is

good.

Also

for

"control".

Please

note:

In

English

the

term

"control"

means
steering

just

as

much

as

checking

(in

German

the

steering

component

is
not

contained

in

"Kontrolle").

And

a

maintainer

certainly

has

a
steering

function

in

a

project.

May

be

that's

even

the

most

important
one.

But

this

also

means

control

in

the

checking

sense.

Linus

-

or

the
kernel

developers

as

a

group

-

don't

simply

accept

any

patch

which
comes

in

but

control

it

for

a

number

of

criteria.

If

you

look

at
Wikipedia

meanwhile

you

have

a

number

or

checking

rules

which

are
applied.

Whether

they

are

good

or

bad

is

a

different

question

strongly
related

to

the

goal

of

the

project.

And

no,

that's

not

a

defect

in

peer

projects.

It's

the

way

things

have
developed

and

I

think

it

developed

very

well.

People

like

it

and
exactly

this

is

a

point

where

I

wholeheartedly

*love*

that

peer
projects

are

not

political

projects.

I

saw

countless

political
projects

which

applied

this

type

of

wishful

thinking

you

seem

to
follow

and

which

died

exactly

thereof.

Again

the

major

difference

here

is

that

no

alienated

interests

are
involved

in

peer

governance.

Maintainers

of

peer

projects

are

foremost
interested

in

the

project

-

or

they

are

not

accepted

as

maintainers
any

longer.

They

need

to

follow

the

project

goals

and

exactly

this

is
why

people

follow

them.

No

other

reason.

This

is

also

the

reason

why
corporations

are

constantly

suspected

and

have

a

hard

time

as
maintainers.

As

far

as

the

term

"government"

is

concerned

in

general

the

same
applies

though

to

me

it

sounds

more

like

an

embodied

institution.

I'm
not

so

sure

here

because

alienation

might

be

already

be

embedded

in
the

notion.



On

the

other

hand,

the

definitions

of

"produce"

and

"production"

seem

to

fit


quite

well.



That's

why

I

would

use

these

latter

terms

in

a

peer

context,

but

not

the


former

one.

Sorry,

I

totally

disagree.

I

understand

that

you

are

following

those
dreams

which

are

so

common

among

a

big

leftist

current

-

and

in

which
I

also

believed

for

such

a

long

time.

Peer

production

projects

and
many

other

occasions

in

my

less

virtual

live

told

me

differently.

I
agree

it

is

hard

to

let

down

this

perspective,

but

as

you

do

you
suddenly

see

the

world

with

different

eyes.

And

a

lot

of

things

stop
looking

simply

mysterious...


   

   

   

   

   

   

Grüße

   

   

   

   

   

   

Stefan
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