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Re: [ox-en] reprap, exploitation, free goods etc


I didn't find any references to Graham's work here.

I've gone through each post and noted the deficiencies in each.

"How Open is VIA's OpenBook Design?"
*Pure Design*

"What are the specific challenges for open hardware?"
*Pure Design*

"Kevin Carson on peer production as a crisis of capitalism"
Kevin is working on sharing physical sources among DEVELOPERS, not
among CONSUMERS, so has an end-goal of ensuring profit even though
profit can be safely eliminated when physical sources are co-owned by
the consumers.

"Building a post-scarcity society in a patent-and-copyright-encumbered
intellectual climate"
*Pure Design*

"Peernet: Constructing the Open Mesh"
At least Sepp is talking about physical sources here, but it sounds
like all of it will be individually owned.  There is no sharing as far
as I can tell.

"Marcin Jakubowski comments on Stan Rhodes' Peer Trust Network proposal"
This is as close as we get.  Stan is working on the real issue:
sharing physical sources.

His approach is different from mine, and it sounds like he has decided
sharing physical sources will require more technology?!

"Such a productive infrastructure may consist of digital and flexible
production Fab Labs fueled by open design. This way, an entire, robust
economy may be created to provide the wealth generation required by
prospective entrants into a property trust. I believe simply that
without such robust, low-cost, replicable production capacity, it is
too expensive or complicated to generate a productive economy
necessary for inviting people into a commons."

My approach can happen right now with the most ancient of technologies.

"Marcin Jakubowski: an appeal for global collaboration on open product
*Pure Design*

"Steve Bosserman on Economic Sustainability in a world of Open Design"
*Pure Design*

"Marcin Jakubowski: A call for open engineering and a commons
coalition for P2P Energy"
*Pure Design*

"Proposed OSE specifications aim to guarantee truly open physical peer
*Pure Design*

On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 8:29 AM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004> wrote:
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Quite a bit of background material already in the blog, including references
to Graham's earlier definitional work:


On 6/8/08, Patrick Anderson <agnucius> wrote:

Oops, I meant:

Even if Rep-Rap did what it claimed, "self-replicating" is NOT the

solution to the problems facing society.

On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 8:20 AM, Patrick Anderson <agnucius>
Even if Rep-Rap did what it claimed, "self-replicating" is the
solution to the problems facing society.

Wheat is already self-replicating (except when Monsanto gets
involved), yet we have almost none left in the US because the insane
drive to keep price above cost caused legislation (the 1996 Farm Bill)
eliminating 'our' reserves.

The solution we keep avoiding is discovering how to share physical
sources in a manner analogous to how Free Software helps us share
virtual sources.

The GPL Society requires physical production, not just "Open Design",
and physical production requires physical sources (traditionally
called the "Means of Production").

Making physical sources available "at cost" to the consumers that use
those products would create a dynamic similar to what Free Software
does in the 'virtual' realm when it makes virtual sources available
"at cost" to the users of those products.

I have an idea how to do this, but it's a bit long-winded.


On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 9:19 AM, graham <graham> wrote:

discussion on several different oekonux related themes..

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