Re: Unsustainable peer production? (was: Re: [ox-en] Re: The Future of Un-Money // was "Re: There IS such a thing as peer money")
- From: "marc fawzi" <marc.fawzi gmail.com>
- Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 18:22:43 -0800
Patrick,
It seems that more and more I'm seeing agreement in our thinking and
projections, but opportunity for sharp contrast remains, which is a
good thing as it induces an energetic, bidirectional debate.
It's exactly true (as in my thinking and the model I'm working with)
that no everyone will be a food grower and not everyone will be a
dentist, but I make one singular exception: everyone will be an energy
producer (just because it's part of a workable plan to change homes
and businesses so that they rely more on the SUN and WIND than on the
grid, and use the grid only when they need extra energy or have extra
energy to sell) This works only if the community decided that they're
going to invest in such SmartGrid architecture and that it's worth it
for everyone to participate in the production. Such community would be
limited in that each household, school, hospital and business have to
be part of SmartGrid as producers not just consumers. Other than that,
there are no limitations on what each peer does. They can be farmers,
doctors, engineers, students, etc.
But it's still a "niche community model" not a model of an arbitrarily
large society, where people may not want to generate their own energy.
//note to self: need to add to model's context
The only part of what you state below that I find implausible is the
legally binding plan...
On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 6:04 PM, Patrick Anderson <agnucius gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 3:57 PM, marc fawzi <marc.fawzi gmail.com> wrote:
You can give anything for free and get anything for free. However, you
cannot just give for free while getting nothing for free.
Sustained Peer Production requires SOME reciprocation.
Of course you can give with reciprocation for a short period of time,
or in a limited number of your dealings, but if none of your peers
ever get around to 'giving' you some of the things you need to live
(such as food), then how will you avoid death?
If the answer is "we each must grow our own food", then I must ask
"must we each be our own dentist?".
I DO want our society to be a web of trusting relationships.
And I DO want people to have the ability and inclination to be giving.
But these are goals, not plans.
We need a legally binding plan to resist the typical growth pattern of
human groups lest our Germ be either be starved (underfunded) or
spoiled (turned Capitalist or State-Communist or some other
non-solution).
Sincerely,
Patrick
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