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Re: [Open Manufacturing] Re: [ox-en] All Work is Created Equal



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Here is the latest added section in the "Introduction to the User Manual"
for P2P Energy Economy in case anyone is interested in the topic:
 Work Only If You Love Your Work

The result of trading in goods and services at the cost of work energy it
takes to produce and deliver them is that, unless one manages to produce and
deliver the good and service with less work energy than other producers of
the same good or service, producers will get back the same amount of work
energy in joule tokens as they put in. And since people can sell their own
produced energy, goods or services for joule tokens at the work value of
energy and at cost in work energy it takes to produce and deliver those
goods and services, respectively, and use those joule tokens to get the
goods and services they need at the cost in work energy for delivering those
goods and services, they can go on living indefinitely without the need to
generate 'profits.'

Therefore, the thirst for artificial motivation in the form of profits (i.e.
greed) is out of the picture, which means that people will only do the work
(to produce and deliver a good or service) if and only if they love the
work.

It also means that, since no one has to work unless they love their work, no
one will need -or have any incentive- to work for another person, which
means that most people will be both consumers as well as producers of goods
and services, or "prosumers."
~~

More at: http://p2pfoundation.net/P2P_Energy_Economy


On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 6:21 AM, marc fawzi <marc.fawzi gmail.com> wrote:

For example, in the future, fully automated surgery will be available... a
probing mechanism finds the cancer and takes it out with greater precision
than a human surgeon ever could.

So if all it takes is electricity then why would it cost $100,000? It
should cost more like $1000 including R&D cost spread over e.g. 5 years.

So why the 100X factor of profit above cost?

"All Work Energy Is Created Equal" is what the title should say to
emphasize the absolute value of work energy vs the subjective value of the
work

In a world of abundance, you don't need to pay for any good or service more
than the cost of energy it takes to produce and deliver it

You can choose to pay nothing if you can count on giving and getting stuff
for free which ultimately evolves to barter, which is less efficient form of
trading than using a currency, so then we're back to using a currency and
the currency proposed by the P2P Energy Economy model is one that allows
work energy to be measured in absolute terms.

The full model is available at:
http://p2pfoundation.net/P2P_Energy_Economy

Would love to discuss some more....

Marc



On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 5:38 AM, marc fawzi <marc.fawzi gmail.com> wrote:

Christian,

Here you go:

All Work Is Created Equal

Technically speaking, in the P2P Energy Economy, tokens of the currency
(i.e. money) are created in proportion to the increase in the amount of
electric energy flow from nodes with energy surplus to nodes with energy
deficit, including households, charging stations, electric vehicle grid, and
neighboring communities, which is then converted by those nodes into new
work energy, which gives the tokens a real and absolute work value (in
joules) in spent energy, which enables its use in trading the goods and
services defined under this economy, at the cost of energy it takes to
produce and deliver them.

To restate this in plain English, it suffice it to say that in the P2P
Energy Economy *all work energy is equal* because all work energy is
measured using the same absolute-value unit, i.e. the Joule, so a dentist's
work energy is not any more valuable than a teacher's work energy, while
still allowing those who work harder (produce more work energy) to get more
back. In other words, it values all work energy equally while allowing
people to work as hard as they please and get compensated based on the
absolute value of their work energy not the subjective value of their work.

The conditions of sustainable abundance, given below, must be met for all
goods and services to be traded under this model. These conditions, when
combined with the currency defined under this model, enable a complete
departure from today's scarcity enforcing economic model by allowing
everyone who wishes to get a given good or service to do so at the absolute
work value of the energy it takes to produce and deliver that good or
service.
1. On-demand production (which permits predictive inventory management so
producers don't have to over produce, which causes waste and inefficiency
and is therefore unsustainable, or under produce which causes shortages and
high prices, which is also unsustainable) 2. Decentralized production
(which assures there's no dependence on a few suppliers) 3. Renewable
production (which assures there's no dependence on scarce resources) 4.
Scalable production (which assures that volume is not limited by the
production process) 5. Open source production and "share alike" licensing
(which assures that the good or service can be produced by anyone, while
enforcing social and moral rights of the originator, not their right to a
monopoly.)

When the above conditions are met, for any given good or service, that
good or service should be available to everyone who wishes to have at the
cost of energy it takes to produce and deliver it.

So if health care (as a service) was to meet the above conditions then a
visit to the dentist should not cost more than what it takes in energy to
render that service.

~~

Measuring work energy in joules is like measuring distance in feet or
meters....

How would you argue against all work energy being equal when it is?




On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 5:23 AM, marc fawzi <marc.fawzi gmail.com> wrote:

The title could have been "All Energy Is Created Equal" and it could have
stated that human work energy is measured in Joules, which is how it is
measured.

So I think I might change it to say that and it still would say exactly
the same thing except in a language that doesn't bother people who feel that
human work energy for a dentist is more valuable than human work energy for
a carpenter, when measured by the same stick.




On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 1:09 AM, Christian Siefkes <christian siefkes.net
wrote:

marc fawzi wrote:
To restate this in plain English, it suffice it to say that in the P2P
Energy Economy all work is equal because all work is measured using
the same
unit of energy, i.e. the Joule, so a dentist's work is not any more
valuable
than a teacher's work, while still allowing those who work harder get
more
back. In other words, it values all work equally while allowing people
to
work as hard as they please and get compensated based on the absolute
value
of their work energy not the subjective value of their work.

Hm, measuring (human) work in joule is a bit like measuring energy in
meters
or feet, isn't it?

Best regards
       Christian

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