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dear marc,

i see this issue from a different perspective, so my question is:
if you get to do what you want to do (as in, your career, etc..), does it even matter what option (from the options you give) society adopts ? economy is not a "zero sum" game. you have to factor in "human motivation" as a value enhancer.
in other words, doing what you want to do, not what you have to do.

how do you consider the issue of choice in value generation ?
is there a difference between someone doing what the "boss says to do.." and being the boss? (when it comes to productivity/value generation)

leran






On Feb 8, 2009, at 10:15 PM, marc fawzi wrote:


Dear All,

In reply to various feedback points on why "free" is not sustainable and why self-sufficiency does not lead to true autonomy, I've constructed a separate updated section within the P2P Energy Economy model to address them in more coherent manner.

This entire exercise is helping me tremendously to understand how to cope with the existing economy by exposing the various games embedded within it and allowing me to survive it while working toward an evolving set of ideas that would ultimately modify it.

I hope you find it useful, too.

Here is the section concerning the two biggest dogmas in current social theories:

The Two Biggest Dogmas

The two biggest dogmas present in current social theories are:

1. Generalized exchange of goods and services (aka "unconditional barter" or "gift economy") where those who are naturally inclined to give more than they take end up supporting those who are naturally inclined to take more than they give, is a good way to run an economy.
2. Self-sufficiency leads to autonomy.
These two dogmas are countered in the following two sections that address fair compensation and increased autonomy.

To summarize the sections below, for the first dogma, the following counter argument is given:

Getting and giving things for free unconditionally (as in a gift economy) is unsustainable because of the following reasons: 1. If a given good or service can be obtained for free then some people may want an infinite supply of it. For example, if Internet bandwidth was abundant and free someone had an insatiable appetite for digital content then they may want to have an infinite amount of it, without compensating those who produce the bandwidth for the cost of producing and delivering that bandwidth, which is an unsustainable situation. 2. If there are more people who are inclined to take more than they give then they will have an unfair allocation of the available resources than people who are inclined to give more than they take, which causes the latter population to suffer and ultimately shrink leading to a dominant majority of people who are inclined to take more than give, which is an unsustainable situation.
And for the second dogma, the following argument is given:

When it comes to the idea that self-sufficiency leads to autonomy, we can point to the fact that no amount of self-sufficiency can compete with the autonomy achieved through increased inter-dependence. For instance, in the case of North Korea, a fully self-sufficient country that can make nukes from scratch, the fact is that despite having many educated and capable scientists and engineers, a hard working population, and many natural resources (including agricultural resources) they don't have the autonomy (or power) to achieve the standards of living (including nutrition) that would be theirs if they were an part of a greater inter-dependent whole. So if bloggers and youtubers did not produce their own content and did not re-distribute or remixe content from other bloggers and youtubers, the Internet (or Web) as a medium would not have had the autonomy that it has today and the same goes for the bloggers and youtubers, as they would be dependent on the few producers that existed before the Web was born, e.g. TV stations, newspapers, etc. Having said that, inter-dependence can easily turn into dependence when most producers become consumers, redistributors and remixers of a few original producers.
This can happen due to two reasons:
1. The majority of producers consume far more than they produce.
2. Certain producers have access to a scarce resource (e.g. insider news in case of bloggers like TechCrunch and access to huge amounts of video content in case of youtubers like CBS and other major TV channels) or a higher place in some established hierarchy (e.g. Washington Post vs. Joe Blogger) use this unfair advantage to buy out the most successful of the small producers (Joe Blogger and Joe Youtuber) in order to reinforce others' dependency on themselves. The answer to both problems is to assure maximum inter-dependence in the design of the system. The way the "maximum inter-dependence" condition is assured in the P2P Energy Economy is by having producers trade in goods and services based on the cost in work energy it takes to produce and deliver the given good or service, so that in order for someone to consume, redistribute or remix another producer's goods or services they need to pay for those goods or services in joule tokens at the same amount in work energy it took to produce and deliver those goods or services, which means that they have to produce their own goods and services (or produce surplus energy) that they can trade with other producers at the cost in work energy it takes to produce and deliver the given good or service, e.g. by using joule tokens. Another way the "maximum inter-dependence" condition is assured in the P2P Energy Economy is by eliminating monopolies. When it comes to monopolies, they are eliminated in the P2P Energy Economy by the following conditions: 1. All industries must meet the following conditions for sustainable abundance: a. Efficient, On-demand Production (which permits predictive inventory management so producers don't have to over produce, which causes waste and inefficiency and is therefore unsustainable, or under produce which causes shortages and high prices, which is also unsustainable) b. Decentralized, Inter-dependent Production (which assures there's no dependence on a few suppliers) c. Renewable Production (which assures there's no dependence on scarce resources) d. Scalable Production (which assures that volume is not limited by the production process) e. Open Source Production (which assures that the good or service can be produced by anyone, while enforcing social and moral rights of the originator, not their right to a monopoly.) f. Non-Scarce Qualities (which assures the absence of any scarce qualities that would justify paying more than the cost of work energy it takes to produce and deliver the given good or service) g. Non-Scarce Dependencies (which assures that there are no dependencies in the cost-of-work-energy calculation on any goods or services that do not meet the above conditions.) h. Fair Compensation (which assures that all producers are paid at the median cost in work energy that goes into making and delivering their good or service and based on their efficiency and creativity, not based on their place in the hierarchy or their access to a scarce resource.) i. Open Education (which assures that all peers have access to education at the cost in work energy it takes to produce and deliver that education.) 2. Consumers are automatically and anonymously matched to producers based on the required attributes for the given good or service, the producer's lender credits (see: Lender and Borrower Credits) and the affinity between the consumer's and the producer's social, ecological and environmental values. 3. Producers are required to share their revenue through lending in order to rank higher as sellers, which assures that in order for a given producer to empower themselves they have to empower everyone.
Full model available at:  http://p2pfoundation.net/P2P_Energy_Economy

Sorry if I can't answer all feedback. I've just started working on a mobile software project that takes advantage of these ideas and so my bandwidth is sort of limited.

Marc





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