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[Converted from multipart/alternative] [1 text/plain] very interesting thread! we recently dealt with similar issues with the publication of the cpov reader. originally we had NC, but because we wanted to include images from Wikipedia, we decided to adopt a license consistent with theirs and allow commercial use. shortly after, like two weeks after the book came out, i see a site is selling copies for 30 euros! the question is, does that matter? pdfs are available for free and we have a couple thousand free printed copies (that anyone can have sent to them for free as well). when these run out, i don't really care if someone wants to print copies and charge for them because there will always be free versions available. i think we also need to think about what commercial operations, if any, such practices support. there will never be a demand for 1,000,000 printed copies of CSPP and with the material online, it's probably fair to say that nobody will be printing it out in full to sell on amazon or whatever. so nobody is going to turn a real profit or directly participate in mass production and race to the bottom labour conditions. most likely the kinds of entities will be small "artisan style" businesses - pseudo-precarious knowledge workers like alessandro ludovico from neural magazine. actual use is most likely to take the form of small sections inserted into these kinds of publications. i don't have a problem with this use mainly because i believe that there are many different versions of capital, some much better than others. all that said, the idea of letting the authors decide would put all this to rest. it is a question of privileging autonomy (of authors) or the commons. another option that nobody has mentioned, perhaps the "purest" of all, is to not get involved in the legal/property game at all. quite a mess, but them's my thoughts! Nate Tkacz School of Culture and Communication University of Melbourne Twitter: http://twitter.com/__nate__ Research Page: http://nathanieltkacz.net Current project: http://networkcultures.org/wpmu/cpov/about-2/ On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 6:35 AM, Graham Seaman <graham theseamans.net> wrote:
Agree that this is mainly a signalling issue. And my gut reaction (which I guess is fairly typical among people who've been around free software for a while) is that NC signals people not really part of the community, not aware of why the gpl was such a success after all the failed NC-licenses of the 80s (the same goes for free data people - the OKF is in the middle of an uphill struggle to convince naive supporters to stop putting NC clauses on data, so they are likely to have the same gut reaction as me). But I don't know whether the free software/data community is actually an important part of the intended market, which may be more academic? Graham On 06/02/11 17:45, Johan Söderberg wrote:Guess I have the tiping vote! As was already noted before, there is no practical significance to thischoice. As with 98% of all CC licensed goods, It is all about self-promotion and sending the right signals. The ideological purist signal that we want to send is to ditch the non-commercial.Hence: CC: BY-SA [PHONE NUMBER REMOVED] Johan ________________________________________ Från: owner-journal oekonux.org [owner-journal oekonux.org] förMathieu ONeil [mathieu.oneil anu.edu.au]Skickat: den 2 juni 2011 18:33 Till: journal oekonux.org Ämne: Re: [jox] Licence for articles [Converted from multipart/alternative] [1 text/plain] Hi all Um, crossed messages! OK, we have 2:2. I can see both sides. Sending the strongest message about NC vs. favouring the spread of thelicence... I guess we need more input?cheers Mathieu ----- Original Message ----- From: Stefan Merten <smerten oekonux.de> Date: Thursday, June 2, 2011 6:22 pm Subject: Re: [jox] Licence for articles To: journal oekonux.orgHi all! 2 hours ago Alex Halavais wrote:I would make the argument for CC-BY-SA.+1 NC is an anti-pattern for me. Free Software would not have been possible with NC - so what should it be good for? Grüße Stefan**** Dr Mathieu O'Neil Adjunct Research Fellow Australian Demographic and Social Research Institute College of Arts and Social Science The Australian National University email: mathieu.oneil[at]anu.edu.au web: http://adsri.anu.edu.au/people/visitors/mathieu.php [2 text/html] ______________________________ http://www.oekonux.org/journal ______________________________ http://www.oekonux.org/journal______________________________ http://www.oekonux.org/journal
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