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Re: Asambleas Populares [ox-en] (was Re: It's quite around here!)

maybe you are right and in the future they become into parties.. who
knows? here all things can happen?
here goverment and politicians dont care about people.....something
needs to change.....maybe it's a way to somewhere....

El vie, 07-03-2003 a las 13:15, Graham Seaman escribió:
On 7 Mar 2003, josx wrote:

ok i support free software and i am participate in proposicion but
"asambleas populares" are a different thing...( are not like the PT in
brazil a political party )..
"asambleas populares" is like groups of neighboors....

My only experience of anything similar was the 'comissoes de moradores' in
Portugal in the 1970s. I don't know if these really were like the 
asambleas populares in Argentina now - maybe it's something completely
different? If it is similar, then:
1. they were not a party, but many of the most energetic people in them
were also involved in parties
2. their spirit was very similar to that of free software:
  * if there is something that needs to be organized (new drains, or food
  supplies, or a rent strike) the people would do it themselves, together,
  instead of waiting for someone else to do it. Like the idea of'scratch 
  your own itch' in software.
  * good ideas and examples would spread from one comissao to another very 
  * they involved endless talking but mostly things happened because a few
  people went ahead and did things; once everyone saw something started,
  then they would join in too (== 'release early, release often')
3. where they wanted something technical done, then sympathetic experts 
could almost always be found to help (eg. architects to design houses,
which people then built themselves (together)).

Point 3 would be where the natural link with free software might come...
eg. if groups wanted to communicate with others in different towns, or
set up free access points for the internet using old donated computers,
or set up computer teaching for their children, etc.

Or maybe this is all completely unrealistic and I'm confusing different 


El vie, 07-03-2003 a las 11:58, Graham Seaman escribió:
On 7 Mar 2003, josx wrote:

the "asambleas populares" isnt involved in free software...i think that
they dont know about the existence of fs...and they are not related with
any kind of technology.
I think they will not be realted because the kind people that is

so why are free software and the PT so related in Brasil? (eg Rio Grande 
do Sur). And why is it that the first free software bill to pass was 
promoted by a minister whose main concern is land reform? Why are the
people who work on public access to computers in the favelas so often 
linked with free software? There are possible bridges between the people 
involved in software and the people involved in assembleas populares,
even if those bridges don't always exist yet.

remember that argentina is a third world country and technology is not a
thing to worried about is society. ( by now i think asambles populares
are worried about taht people can eat, live better, etc...)...

not waste government money on software licenses that can be used for 
hospitals, schools, etc... (ok, I know this isn't an immediate 
life-or-death issue in the same way as organizing a soup-kitchen, but
it is still a real issue and I'm not inventing it -




El jue, 06-03-2003 a las 17:01, Timothy Baldwin escribió:
On Monday 03 Mar 2003 2:17 pm, josx wrote:
i am joseluis from "buenos aires - argentina" and
new at ox-en list

I'm also new to the list, and since you are from Argentina:

Have the asambleas populares (popular assemblies) been involved in Free 
Software in any way, or has any part of the Free Software Movement been 
involved in the asambleas populares?

Timothy Baldwin
Member WYLUG, SWP (UK), ANL, Leeds SA, Leeds Anti-war coalition
No to patents on computer software! Stop the war!






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