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On 7 Mar 2003, josx wrote:
ok i support free software and i am participate in proposicion but "asambleas populares" are a different thing...( are not like the PT in brazil a political party ).. "asambleas populares" is like groups of neighboors....
My only experience of anything similar was the 'comissoes de moradores' in Portugal in the 1970s. I don't know if these really were like the asambleas populares in Argentina now - maybe it's something completely different? If it is similar, then: 1. they were not a party, but many of the most energetic people in them were also involved in parties 2. their spirit was very similar to that of free software: * if there is something that needs to be organized (new drains, or food supplies, or a rent strike) the people would do it themselves, together, instead of waiting for someone else to do it. Like the idea of'scratch your own itch' in software. * good ideas and examples would spread from one comissao to another very quickly * they involved endless talking but mostly things happened because a few people went ahead and did things; once everyone saw something started, then they would join in too (== 'release early, release often') 3. where they wanted something technical done, then sympathetic experts could almost always be found to help (eg. architects to design houses, which people then built themselves (together)). Point 3 would be where the natural link with free software might come... eg. if groups wanted to communicate with others in different towns, or set up free access points for the internet using old donated computers, or set up computer teaching for their children, etc. Or maybe this is all completely unrealistic and I'm confusing different things? Graham
El vie, 07-03-2003 a las 11:58, Graham Seaman escribió:On 7 Mar 2003, josx wrote:the "asambleas populares" isnt involved in free software...i think that they dont know about the existence of fs...and they are not related with any kind of technology. I think they will not be realted because the kind people that is envolved...so why are free software and the PT so related in Brasil? (eg Rio Grande do Sur). And why is it that the first free software bill to pass was promoted by a minister whose main concern is land reform? Why are the people who work on public access to computers in the favelas so often linked with free software? There are possible bridges between the people involved in software and the people involved in assembleas populares, even if those bridges don't always exist yet.remember that argentina is a third world country and technology is not a thing to worried about is society. ( by now i think asambles populares are worried about taht people can eat, live better, etc...)...not waste government money on software licenses that can be used for hospitals, schools, etc... (ok, I know this isn't an immediate life-or-death issue in the same way as organizing a soup-kitchen, but it is still a real issue and I'm not inventing it - http://proposicion.org.ar/pipermail/proposicion/2002-November/002219.html) Grahamthx joseluis El jue, 06-03-2003 a las 17:01, Timothy Baldwin escribió:On Monday 03 Mar 2003 2:17 pm, josx wrote:i am joseluis from "buenos aires - argentina" and new at ox-en listI'm also new to the list, and since you are from Argentina: Have the asambleas populares (popular assemblies) been involved in Free Software in any way, or has any part of the Free Software Movement been involved in the asambleas populares? -- Timothy Baldwin Member WYLUG, SWP (UK), ANL, Leeds SA, Leeds Anti-war coalition No to patents on computer software! Stop the war! _______________________ http://www.oekonux.org/_______________________ http://www.oekonux.org/_______________________ http://www.oekonux.org/_______________________ http://www.oekonux.org/
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