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Re: [ox-en] On consciousness (was Re: Next successful Free Product? )



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Here's is where how I would synthesize the discussion:

1) there is an objective movement towards new social practices that are non-capitalist, they are strongly emerging in the immaterial economy, where the material conditions favour them; but there are distinct possibilities for expanding them in the physical domain, where the physical, capital-dependent, and legal obstacles are much more significant; but in both cases, they are forced to operate within a large context of a capitalist political economy

2) knowledge of the opportunities and constraints, by strengthening human intentionality and the interconnectedness of the human strivings in this regard, may strengthen the objective trends. This is what Oekonux, the P2P Foundation and Raoul are striving for, though they're interpretations may differ

3) at some point in the future, an opportunity for a meta-system transition may occur, where the subjective qualities that come from interconnected experience and debate, may be more crucial for its eventual success.

Michel



Raoul <raoulv club-internet.fr> wrote: Hi Stefan, hi all.



Almost six months ago,

(in http://www.oekonux.org/list-en/archive/msg03292.html )

Stefan Merten wrote:



"http://dorax.club.fr/Visibility.htm

A very nice text. Indeed I agree with very most of it."



That's great. Let's deal with what makes you say only: "most of it" ;-)



You quote this part of my text:

The anti-capitalist revolution can only be the work of the immense
majority of society and it must be a conscious work. Such a
consciousness cannot be the product of the preaching -
however well formulated - of a minority of "enlightened"
revolutionaries. It is historical practice, the evolution of
material and social conditions that alone can convince billions of
individuals, including "revolutionaries," that their discourse has a
solid foundation.

And you say:
"I completely agree that preaching makes no sense. However, I'd like to know 
in what sense you are referring to consciousness. Do you mean consciousness 
in the sense that the actors need to know that objectively they pursue goals 
leading to a new society? I'd like to call this a political consciousness. I 
don't think such political consciousness is really necessary. AFAICS 
bourgeois revolutions didn't need it either for the majority of actors. 
Similarly Free Software people usually don't have that political 
consciousness.

"However, I think consciousness is necessary in the sense that people feel 
that there is a better life to win. I'd like to call this felt 
consciousness. In this sense it is indeed only practice which does 
everything necessary. We can see this in Free Software as well as in P2P 
file sharing.

"Do you think that at some point the felt consciousness needs to switch to 
the political consciousness? If so why and when?"



Well, these are important and numerous questions. I hope I can sketch some 
answers without being too long.



"Do you mean consciousness in the sense that the actors need to know that 
objectively they pursue goals leading to a new society? (...) Do you think 
that at some point the felt consciousness needs to switch to the political 
consciousness?" My answer is YES.



To go beyond capitalism means abolishing its two main foundations: wage 
labour and acumulation of capital as the goal of production.  (See Rosa 
Luxembourg, in "Introduction to political economy", for a clear argument on 
why these are the most specific characteristics of capitalism).  And I don't 
think that humans can definitively destroy and surpass these two pillar 
social institutions without a consciousness of what they are doing, without 
knowing "that objectively they pursue goals leading to a new society". 
Capitalism is not only copyright.

To go beyond wage labour means that any human will be able to fulfil his 
material subsistence needs independently from the "work" he does or even 
from the fact that he "works" or not. That needs a great collective 
consciousness. I do not see how could be realized a worldwide passage from 
an exchange value logic to a use value one without a generalized 
consciousness and will to build a new society.

To go beyond profit as the goal of production, means first to become master 
of the material means of production, land, mines, factories, etc. (today 
owned by capitalists and capitalist states)  in order to steer them 
exclusively toward human needs. Nothing allows to think that this could be 
realised without a harsh resistance from the owners and I do not see how 
that resistance could be overcome without a conscious and generalised 
political fight.





You say that for bourgeois revolutions the political consciousness was not 
needed "for the majority of actors".  This is true, as the majority of the 
population (peasant serves, city workers), were more or less cynically 
manipulated by a minority of bourgeois factions. However, in the French 
Revolution, for example, the serves and workers, who participated and made 
the revolution possible, had a political consciousness, even if based on 
illusions and lies. Most of them were really convinced that they were 
fighting for a new society based on "Liberty, Equality and Fraternity", as 
it is still carved onto the front doors of most of the French public 
buildings. The bloody repression of the radical popular movements and the 
napoleonian order came to explain what these words could mean from a 
capitalist point of view. As for the leading bourgeois forces, they had a 
rather clear political consciousness that they were building a new social 
framework suited to the needs of their economic system and their own class 
interests, as proved, for example, by the forbidding of strikes and workers 
unions since the beginning (see the law "Le Chapelier" in 1791).



 But if for bourgeois revolutions the consciousness of a minority was enough 
(and necessary), for surpassing capitalism this consciousness needs to be a 
majority one, present in almost every cell of society. Here things are much 
more global and radical. This time, the change is not a modification of a 
mode of exploitation, but the end of exploitation and of all the 
institutions, laws, repressive forces, that the old systems needed to exist. 
Here the first need will be to learn to "work" without "masters". Since this 
concerns a huge majority of humanity, the consciousness needs to be a huge 
majority's one.





You say: "Similarly Free Software people usually don't have that political 
consciousness."

This is also true. Even if the Free Software relations of production are not 
capitalist, even if some Free Software people use the word Communism to 
refer to these relationships, as Moglen with his "dot.Communist Manifesto", 
in most cases it is accepted that this new logic is possible only in the 
digital world. I remember asking Richard Stallman, at the end of a meeting 
in Paris, whether he thought that the social relationships existing in Free 
Software could be generalised to the non-digitized world. He answered very 
promptly: NO.

A non capitalist society cannot be a society where all the digitized goods 
would be managed in a "communist" way, while all the rest would remain under 
the capitalist rules with all its consequences, like, for example, the death 
of a child every four seconds out of misery...
The present reality of Free Software people consciousness rather than 
denying the need of a political consciousness to go beyond capitalism shows 
the immaturity of that consciousness.



Because of qualitative differences of nature, it is much easier to develop 
non-capitalist relations within the "digital world". But capitalism will 
remain the dominant system as long as it prevails in the "material world".



I fully agree with your comments (26sep06) about the interesting image (the 
onion) given by Stefan Meretz. He wrote:

Therefore "free culture" was the most used key term on WOS 4. If one
imagine this as a model of an "onion" consisting of "shells", then with
free culture we reached the second "shell" after the first "shell" (or
core) being free software. The third "shell" of the onion -- witch had
become clear at different points -- will be the core of societal
production, following my rampant thesis:-)



You commented:

";-)

"I'm not so sure whether we are already there. What we saw on WOS4 was that 
the principles of production of Free Software spread out to other digital 
goods. OpenAccess and Wikipedia are other important example for this. But so 
far these are all relatively small islands and they are surrounded by a huge 
ocean of capitalist production.

"Thus I guess we will see more such islands emerge from the ocean over time. 
Digital goods are certainly the most fertile ground so far so all such goods 
can be expected to flourish. I guess this will work similarly well and 
peaceful like Free Software.

"But I think the material side will need some special break. I think there 
is a big step from digital to material production - although I have no 
doubts that it will happen. Today I'd say: I don't know when, where it 
happens and which shape it will have - but I'm pretty sure I/we will 
recognize it :-) ."



Indeed, "there is a big step from digital to material production". It is 
relatively easy to share digital goods and difficult to prevent their 
sharing. But for material goods things are different.

Some lines from a poem ("La grasse matinée", written in French by Jacques 
Prévert, in 1945) can shortly say what I mean. The poem is about a man 
starving in the streets.



That can't go on

it goes on

three days

three nights

without eating

and behind those windows

those pâtés those bottles those cans

dead fishes protected by cans

cans protected by windows

windows protected by cops

cops protected by fear

how many barricades for six poor sardines.



I do not think that the fear that "protects" the police can be overcome 
without the confidence given by a clear consciousness of the possibility to 
build a really new society. I do not think that it will be possible to 
dissolve the police forces all over the world without a clear consciousness 
of what is done and why?



What you call a "felt consciousness", the feeling "that there is a better 
life to win", is important and necessary, but it is not enough. (By the way, 
I do not think that "felt" is the best term. I would not oppose "felt" to 
"political" consciousness, because the political consciousness is also 
"felt", based on emotions and intuitions, and because "to win a better 
life", for a *social* being is first to win a better *social* life, which 
is a political action. I would rather say an embryonic or immature political 
consciousness.)



Here, it may be useful to specify the meaning of "political". Commonly, 
"politics" is related to the management of the capitalist society and state. 
As such it is frequently and understandably abhorred or at least mistrusted 
among people really disgusted with capitalism. But the word has a broader 
sense. To fight against capitalism, to try to impulse a new form of social 
organisation is also politics. Wikipedia (in English) says: "Politics is the 
process by which groups make decisions. Although the term is generally 
applied to behavior within governments, politics is observed in all human 
(and many non-human) group interactions (...)"

Since we are here dealing with questions related to a change of social 
organization, I understand it - and I think it is roughly the same for you - 
as the process by which humans make decisions about their society, about 
their "city". (The word comes from the Greek word "polis", which means 
city.)





Your last question is: "when" would "the felt consciousness... switch to the 
political consciousness". I would really be happy to know the answer. In the 
text you quote, I wrote: "these practices [of sharing, allowed by the ICT] 
are only going to develop and (...) they will constitute with time (perhaps 
10 or 20 years?) a powerful element in the deployment of the visibility of 
the revolutionary project." That is rather vague, but the aim was to say, 
first, that we are only at the *beginning* of a developing reality and, 
second, that the moment when the generalization of these new practices may 
make more evident the *possibility* of a new type of society, that moment 
should not be so far, not centuries ahead, since the development of ICTs is 
exponential.



However, this is only a part of the reality which may lead to a "switch" of 
consciousness. There are also all the dynamics that stem from the inner 
capitalist contradictions and limits. The old social relationships will also 
show their counterproductive reality more clearly, in a more devastating 
dimension than they do at present, particularly in the most developed 
countries. I am still convinced of the "non- eternal", the historically 
temporary nature of capitalism at the level of the efficiency of its 
mechanisms. The difficulties that stem from the always shrinking part of 
living labor in the production process and from the limits to the always 
necessary expansion of markets, these difficulties will certainly increase 
(particularly when China's and India's economies will become "fully" 
integrated in the world market). The economic and social disasters to which 
these difficulties will lead, can increase the consciousness of the 
*necessity* of a political upheaval.



The answer to the question of when may happen the "switch" in consciousness 
should be some where around the conjunction of these two dimensions: the 
perception of the possibility and the perception of the necessity of the 
revolutionary project.

That is not very definite, but it may help...



Sorry for the length...



Raoul Victor

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