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[ox-en] Re: [ox-en] Re: Material peer production (Part 0: Traits of Peer Production)

On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 12:40:35 [PHONE NUMBER REMOVED], Christian Siefkes
<christian> wrote:

If you produce something for selling it on the market, or if your
follows some hierarchical planning process, you are not peer-producing --
Dmytri's proposal is out.

Hi Christian, I agree with much of what you say, and have some
questions for you.

Can you explain the technical differences between what your proposal of 
allocating productive output based on contributions measured in "adjusted"
time. To me an "adjusted time unit" is simply a type of money.

Second, can you further explain in what way your proposal to calculate
the "price" of a product based on "upward" or "downward" auctions is 
different from "selling it on the market," a practice you feel
is categorically excluded from peer-production.

To me, an "auction" presupposed a "market," in other words a process
by which price is determined by supply and demand.

1. Peer production is based on _contributions_ (not on exchange).

Yet specialized labour presupposes exchange, because contributers of
certain inputs themselves require the productive outputs of others.

2. Peer production is based on _commons_ and _possession_ (not on


   Where things are not commons, they generally matter as  _possession_
   (something that can be used), not as _property_ (something that can be


3. Peer production is based on _free cooperation_ (not on coercion or

I strongly agree with these points.

I have read your book recently, and I agree with much of the structure, 
if not always the politics and argumentation of your proposal.

I purchased my copy of your book with money, I hope that doesn't
preclude us from being peers ;)


Dmytri Kleiner
editing text files since 1981

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