Re: [ox-en] Rivaly of non-rivalry
- From: Michael Bauwens <michelsub2003 yahoo.com>
- Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 23:39:19 -0800 (PST)
HI Patrick,
this has nothing to do either with the Stefan's or any error of your part. Simply, I hit the delete button instead of reply, and could then not find the deleted item in the trash file, not sure how this can happen ... but anyway, as I just replied an instant after, I remembered the gist of your arguments.
Michel
T----- Original Message ----
From: Patrick Anderson <agnucius gmail.com>
To: list-en oekonux.org
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 4:00:13 AM
Subject: Re: [ox-en] Rivaly of non-rivalry
On
Jan
24,
2008
6:49
AM,
Michael
Bauwens
wrote:
Hi
Patrick
I
accidentally
deleted
your
contribution,
so
I'm
starting
a
new
thread.
Michel,
1.
Do
you
moderate,
and
have
administrative
rights
over
list-en Oekonux.org?
I'm
very
surprised,
only
because
I
always
thought
Stefan
or
Stefan
did
that...
2.
You
apparently
read
the
text
but
deleted
it
anyway,
and
couldn't
recover
it?
Your
email
software
should
be
a
bit
more
forgiving.
Maybe
you
are
trying
to
give
me
a
hint
about
something
I
did
wrong?
If
I
made
a
social
or
technical
error,
could
you
please
tell
me
explicitly,
as
I
am
extremely
dense
when
it
comes
to
non-literal
communication,
and
am
at
a
loss
as
to
what
I
should
do
differently
in
the
future.
3.
Maybe
it
was
best
that
text
was
lost
anyway,
as
most
of
what
I
write
incites
an
unfortunate
mixture
of
boredom
and
anger.
Rather
that
'sharp'
and
'pointed',
I
tend
to
be
interpreted
as
both
'dull'
and
'blunt'
;)
What
you
write
is
of
course
true,
and
it
is
a
very
important
reminder
about
the
material
basis
of
everything
we
do.
Nevertheless,
if
people
like
Yochai
Benkler,Mark
Cooper,
and
even
myself,
write
about
non-rival
or
anti-rival
resources,
we
are
not
denying
these
truths.
Ok,
sorry,
that
is
probably
already
clear
to
everyone
but
me.
Simply
that
in
a
particular
context,
the
specific
polarity
of
a
good
induces
very
important
logical
and
physical
qualities,
which
require
differential
treatment.
This
word
"polarity"
sounds
very
interesting.
What
do
you
mean
by
it?
Of
course,
occasional,
we
or
some
others
may
go
astray,
forgetting
that
physical
basis,
but
in
fact
we
know
it.
That
both
the
song
and
bread
have
a
physical
basis
is
one
thing,
nevertheless,
because
of
the
marginal
cost
of
reproducing
a
song
over
an
already
existing
and
available
network,
it
still
makes
more
sense
to
share,
rather
than
sell
it,
so
different
solutions
must
be
found
to
fund
that
'general
infrastructure'.
By
"general
infrastructure"
are
you
including
creation,
distribution
and
maintenance
of
the
work?
These
are
very
different
things,
and
I
would
like
to
talk
about
them
separately,
but
it
would
help
me
avoid
being
redundant
or
picking
nits
if
I
could
understand
what
is
already
obvious
or
generally
understood
by
you
and
others.
I
am
very
interested
in
what
it
will
take
to
earn
a
wage
from
Free
Software
for
instance,
and
my
general
view
is
that
developers
must
somehow
get
connected
to
the
consumers
(users)
who
are
willing
to
commit
to
paying
for
features
*before*
the
work
is
performed.
I
envision
this
as
bug/feature
tracking
software
that
helps
users
easily
add
even
a
tiny
"promise
to
pay"
to
cumulative
bounties
from
within
the
application
itself
-
as
a
kind
of
"complaint
click"
or
"bitch
button"
that
might
even
be
integrated
into
the
application
'frame'
next
to
the
[minimize]
button...
On
the
developer
side,
any
worker
could
sort
their
view
of
the
bounty
list
by
reward
size
(for
instance),
and
probably
choose
to
work
on
things
they
might
have
already
wanted,
but
this
also
allows
consumers
to
drive
innovation
without
possessing
the
skills
themselves
by
contracting
to
reward
artisans
for
accomplishing
work
that
may
otherwise
never
have
incentive
to
accomplish.
If
the
work
conflicts
with
the
goals
of
the
worker,
the
new
version
can
be
considered
a
fork
and
even
be
renamed
if
those
consumers
desire,
or
if
the
trademark
holders
demand.
It
will
probably
usually
be
best
to
define
that
fork
as
a
"patch"
against
the
main
project
(think
of
the
Linux
kernel
for
instance)
-
so
that
special
version
will
always
easily
receive
other
general
improvements
to
the
mainline
without
much
fuss...
For
other
art,
the
artists
should
also
plan
to
get
paid
*before*
the
performance
by
selling
tickets
to
limited
seating
during
the
recording
or
filming,
but
this
will
require
the
consumers
own
the
physical
sources
(land,
studio,
cameras,
costumes,
etc.)
to
make
it
efficient
-
otherwise
the
externality
called
profit
will
leak
most
of
the
value
away
from
the
community.
What
you
say
doesn't
change
that,
or
does
it?
I
think
you
are
correct,
and
I
was
probably
only
reading
to
literally,
but
I
won't
be
sure
until
you
answer
some
of
the
questions
above.
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