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Re: [ox-en] Re: Oekonux and class struggle

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Hi Stefan,

I generally avoid the loaded term of class struggle myself, which creates
unnecessary assocations with certain worldviews that impede open debate (not
the worldviews, but how they are perceived). Nevertheless, the interests of
platform owners and user-value creators remain quite distinctive, and may be
seen as a continuation of the previous contradiction, as, despite the
emergence of peer production, it is still a seed in the shell of the old,

This is why I like the concept of cognitive capitalism, which allows both to
see the continuity, and the discontinuities in the regime of accumulation.

Michel

On Feb 18, 2008 3:41 PM, Stefan Merten <smerten oekonux.de> wrote:


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Hi Michel and all!

Last week (13 days ago) Michel Bauwens wrote:

I'm curious to know more about your concept that class struggle does not
apply.


First a note: When I talked of class struggle I meant class struggle.
I.e. a certain situation in capitalism mainly based on the
contradiction of labor and capital. As StefanMz said: This class
struggle is completely immanent to capitalism. It is a way how
capitalism develops. It is the conflict between the thesis and the
anti-thesis. It is in no way a synthesis. History proved that
countless times.


Certainly I would agree that the old socialist way of framing politics

is no

longer operational. But that doesn't change that people have different
sociological and structural positions in a mode of production, not just

in

capitalism, but before and presumable, for a long time after.


Certainly. But I'd not put the label "class struggle" on everything
where there are distinguishable interests. That renders the notion
useless.


That does not mean of course advocating a position of class hate, but

rather

to simply recognize that platform users and platform owners have both
converging and diverging interest.


Sure. And I'm the first to agree that this is important.

But AFAICS there are absolutely no class struggle phenomenons in the
sense defined above.


For example, what I call the netarchical
platform owners have a common interest in promoting certain open models,
while at the same time they seek partial enclosure to create market
scarcities. Knowing this, i.e. having a certain type of insight into

social

or 'class' dynamics, helps define more optimal strategies.


Rather than putting class in apostrophes I'd try to find a more
matching notion.


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                                               Stefan
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