Re: [ox-en] The Ideology of Free Culture and the Grammar of Sabotage
- From: Stefan Merten <smerten oekonux.de>
- Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 22:21:53 +0100
2 days ago Michel Bauwens wrote:
Thanks for your answer, but I still think you are on slippery ground,
precisely because the charge of antisemitic structure is so charged.
I see what you mean. However, I agree with Christian's posting today
and also with StefanMz and others.
Just look at the pope and the anglican archbisschop's lectures referring to
Islam, which were intricate and well-thought out opinions (which you may
disagree with, but nevertheless), and what came out of it in the
I don't think this project has such a press yet ;-) .
But even if so: This is a purely tactical argument. There are
situations where I agree with tactical arguments, but on this
discussion list openness is one of the key aspects and thus tactics
need to be secondary or otherwise we *really* get alienated.
is something that may happen to you, and Matteo's reaction shows its
Well, but Matteo's reaction is his and not mine. Matteo could also
have said: "Oh well, I didn't see that so far. Thanks for taking the
time and pointing that out. I'll go and change my text because I don't
want to attract *real* antisemites by it." That would have been
openness and learning and it would have been a nice step forward for
everyone. Instead Matteo left and even with leaving a violent threat.
I'm sorry about this, but that's Matteo's responsibility - don't you
I see what you mean, this displacement from structures to human groups
embodying them, but I would not call this anti-semitic;
See StefanMz and Christian for pointing out the structure thing here.
It is important for me too - as I wrote in my last posting.
The dangerous element of your interpretation is that it
would allow you to use this tag on everyone disagreeing with your
Well, you probably don't know the leftist discourse in Germany. There
are those Anti-Deutsche which really apply this to everyone.
I'm far from this - also because usually it is not necessary to make a
point. However, in Matteo's text - which I read without any
preoccupation - from where should it have come? - the signs were
rather massive and so I considered it useful to point that danger out.
Especially because the text was meant for a wider audience.
Also, my Marxian analysis is very broad and there is only a little
part of it where I think understanding it is necessary to not step
into that trap.
This would avoid branding groups like the alterglobalization movement, and
individuals like Matteo, who are the opposite of anti-semitic, to be branded
by such a misleading charge.
I'm far from branding anyone. In the contrary: Distinguishing people
on the one hand from what they do and the structures they operate in
on the other hand was one of my key points. I hope I was able to make
that very clear. However, I consider this a real danger for an
emancipatory movement and thus don't take it lightly.
By doing that, you make it impossible to have a proper dialogue with Matteo.
Sorry, but that's really Matteo's fault - not mine.
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