RE: [ox-en] Robinsonades
- From: "Paul Cockshott" <wpc dcs.gla.ac.uk>
- Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 17:03:03 +0100
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Patrick:
On Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 9:24 AM, Christian Siefkes
<christian siefkes.net> wrote:
And consumer cooperatives with enough capital can merely become further
capitalists, they don't change the rules of the game at all.
If a cooperative is TRULY owned by the consumers, then profit MUST be
treated as an investment from the consumer who paid it - otherwise the
cooperative originators will gain more and more ownership as the
cooperative grows while the new non-owning consumers would pay price
above cost without ever gaining ground.
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Paul
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Christiane, was locating the profit in the labour of the producers
who make the goods sold by the consumers cooperative. Consumers
can not by the act of purchasing create value, since the purchase is
an exchange of equivalents. so they can not be the source of value.
Patrick
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The billions in profits (that you seem to think are insignificant)
would no longer leave our communities, and we could even pay the
workers more since we would be saving so much by avoiding the
externality called 'profit'.
Paul
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Patrick is basically right here, in practice, but profit is not an externality.
It is a portion of the value created by labour. The situation is different
with oil companies since in their case a large part of the profit is rent.
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