[ox-en] Re: Explaining Tit for Tat in the Context of Generalized Exchange
- From: "marc fawzi" <marc.fawzi gmail.com>
- Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 21:06:01 -0800
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Hi Michel,
I added the following section, and will go ahead and make more specific use
cases to explain the model and compare, contrast and relate it to the
general P2P model:
Here is an example of one such addition:
P2P Social Currency vs Existing Money
Someone (let's call him Tom) who put 10M joules into producing some product
(let's call it XYZ) will get that energy back not from the person who buys
the product (let's call him John), who actually pays Tom 1,000 virtual joule
tokens for the product (where each virtual joule token is 10,000 joules,)
but from the person who makes the food that Tom consumes and/or from the
person who provides entertainment that makes life livable for Tom and/or
from whatever producer of goods and services that makes the enables (or
helps to enable) sustainable production of XYZ by Tom, and this amounts to a
generalized exchange of energy (or outflow/inflow loop) between Tom and the
entire community, not between Tom and John directly.
In other words, the tit for tat exchange between Tom and John is done in the
context of supporting the generalized exchange of energy between each peer
and the community as a whole.
You may then wonder what's the difference between joule tokens and the
existing money, since the latter can do the same?
There is a big difference in the way the model works and in what it enables.
You can't look at just aspects of the model in isolation. The difference in
how the model works vs the current economic model is highlighted by the
following propositions (provable within the model's logic), which are each
unique to this 'P2P Social Currency' model and cannot be attained as easily
or as readily with the existing money/economic model:
1. Convert surplus energy, generated by peers and stored as common
inventory, to a new kind of currency (defined under this model as a
tokenizer of energy flows and the transient information associated with
those flows) having an absolute value in energy, which does not increase or
decrease over time.
2. Direct the flow of "money," as defined under this model (see: Model's
Axioms,) using the aforementioned new kind of currency, towards socially,
ecologically and environmentally intelligent producers of goods and
services.
3. Enable a model of the economy where in order for peers to grow their
wealth (comparatively speaking) they have to share it (by lending their
money to others.) In other words, "the more you share, the more you have."
4. Enable sustainable abundance in P2P energy production and assure an
optimum distribution of energy flows (in both tokenized and non-tokenized
form, i.e. as currency and electricity) throughout the economy so as to
maximize sustainable economic growth.
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I will add more such sections to explain the model's propositions in
specific examples as well as relate it to the general P2P model.
Marc
On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 8:45 PM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 gmail.com>wrote:
Hi Marc,
I'm not sure what specifically you want me to reword ?
I'm in a little difficult mental space right now, rather stressed and not
very conducive to deep thinking ...
my 'survival' is on the line, but I have 3 new job options to choose from,
each with a difficult mix of bonuses and maluses .. When that is over, I
should be more available,
I'll soon be in a new professional situation,
Michel
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 3:12 AM, marc fawzi <marc.fawzi gmail.com> wrote:
I would trust Michel's re-wording of what I'm trying to mediate (to those
who have a specific definition of what P2P is about) and I would use that
re-wording in the model's explanations.
So Michel whenever you have the time to do this it will be extremely
helpful.
Thank you.
On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 12:08 PM, marc fawzi <marc.fawzi gmail.com> wrote:
The following explanation is sorely missing from the explanations in the
P2P Social Currency Model:
Someone who put 10M joules into producing some product (let's call him
Tom) will get that energy back not from the person who buys the product
(let's call him John), who actually pays Tom 1,000 joule tokens for the
product, but from the person who makes the food that Tom eats and/or from
the person who provides entertainment that makes life livable for Tom and/or
from whatever producer of goods and services that makes the enables (or
helps to enable) sustainable production of XYZ by Tom, and this amounts to a
generalized exchange of energy (or outflow/inflow loop) between Tom and the
entire community, not Tom and John.
You may say then what's the difference between joule tokens and money?
There is a big difference. It's highlight in the following provable
propositions that are each unique to "energy as currency" (as defined in the
model) and cannot be attained using the existing system:
1. Convert surplus energy, generated by peers and stored as common
inventory, to a new kind of currency (defined under this model as a
tokenizer of energy and information) having an absolute value in energy,
which does not increase or decrease over time.
2. Direct the flow of "money," as defined under this model (see: Model's
Axioms,) using the aforementioned new kind of currency, towards socially,
ecologically and environmentally intelligent producers of goods and
services.
3. Enable a model of the economy where in order for peers to grow their
wealth (comparatively speaking) they have to share it (by lending their
money to others.) In other words, "the more you share, the more you have."
4. Enable a model of the economy that promotes sustainable abundance in
P2P energy and minimizes the deficit/surplus mismatches between peers in
both money and energy.
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