Re: [jox] A response to Michel and Jakob
- From: Hans-Gert Gräbe <hgg hg-graebe.de>
- Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 10:17:02 +0100
Hi Jakob,
Am 15.03.2012 12:17, schrieb Jakob Rigi:
Actually from the users point of view both google and facebook are
commons, but from the point of view of their owners, they are
instruments of extractio ofn rent. IBM contributes to p2p to extract
rent too.
A very shortcut perception. From the inner logic of capitalism google,
facebook, amazon, ebay etc. are new players within an emerging new group
of capitalists centered around a new area of technology and their "huge
rents" are nothing else than profits (to express it in marxistic
terminology) from investments. The very volume of those profits says
nothing else as that there is a regrouping of forces within the
capitalist class. From a reproductional point of view this is the
capitalistic mechanism to collect money for development of an upspring
new area in the cultural-technological environment build up by mankind,
in the last 500 years by those mechanisms.
All this is in no way mysterious, happened (within different areas of
technology) several times in history - see, e.g., Marx' detailed studies
about the "big industries" emerging in those times - and can very well
explained in terms of a sound labour value theory, if you avoid several
of Marx' shortcuts (in particular, if you understand the role of labour
value factors and that "profit rate" is a special kind of such factors,
see my paper http://hg-graebe.de/EigeneTexte/nf-11.pdf for a _very_
short explanation).
But, as I mentioned before this does not erase the non/capitalist
logic of p2p. P2p is a new mode of production and it is our task to
discovers its regimes of value. Marx definition of communism and his
Anthroplogy in which he equated human nature with productive creative
activity (and this is not labor) can help us to some extent.
I just took the german
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbeit_%28Philosophie%29 (where Marx'
"extended" notion of labour that you probably addressed is discussed),
pressed "English translation" and ended up with
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instrumental_action and a quotation
Karl Marx used instrumental action in connection to the philosophy of
labor. Marx reduced the process of reflection to the level of
instrumental action. By doing this Marx reduces the self-positing of
the absolute ego down to more physical productive activity (Habermas,
1968). Marx also connects instrumental action to his concept of
Versachlichung. This is because of the idea that "communicative
social relations can and are being replaced by objectified and
externalized relations between things" (Scott p. 571).
A very nice demonstration of the great variety of perceptions what
"Marx' Anthropology" means for different people (and probably Marx
himself had no permanent notion about that topic).
The value that facebook appropriates is produced by wage labores
outside it.
Since facebook has almost no operative business at all, I do not
understand that proposition. facebook has investment costs (offering a
service on "foreign common needs") and hence in capitalistic terms gets
"paid back" the "same" amount of "abstract labour" (to use your term) on
its own reproductional needs. Of course the origin of the payback is
"wage labores outside it", the same as for _any_ exchange.
So much for the moment.
hgg
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