Re: [ox-en] Participatory Economics
- From: "I. Claude Harper" <tekell swbell.net>
- Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 21:33:18 -0600
A long rant in reply... sorry, not remotely directed at you..
well that's what I wanted - lots of good stuff
and no, I am not a Pareconist.
1. totally unreal (not based on anything developing in real current
societies);
well I thought there were some groups/business trying it, not at societal
level that's for sure.
4. Finally, the goals are different. I don't think I'd like to live in
I am not sure I think their goals are different, but I am thinking very
abstractly about their goals. You probably mean the goals of Parecon,
whereas I mean the goals of the people into Parecon. To me their goals are
to live in a society that doesn't suck like capitalism or authoritarian
socialism. However, I don't think Parecon is a way to reach that goal -
kinda like the dictatorshop of the proletariat doesn't lead to "true"
communism, just an authoritarian red bureaucracy.
their society with it's vision of efficiency and 'work as sacrifice'. I'd
yes their vision sucks and their methodologies suck. I think exposer to the
Free Software - Unfolding - GPLed - whatever society ideas would help
illuminate this.
...
Do other people here have the same rather negative reaction to their ideas
as me?
yeah, although you stated some of the problems better than me. I reject
overly structure things pretty quickly.
On the other hand, writing for ZMag does sound like a good idea - it's got
a big audience and I would think a much wider circle of supporters than
parecon itself.
I looked at it not so much for what it was, but who the audience was - what
their interests/motivation/goals are. And yes, the broader ZMag audience
would be far better.
What these people desperately need is exposer to the Free Software -
Unfolding society ideas with examples of how things are working in the gpl
world and that it actually works. I think ZMag would be a really good
audience for some of these ideas.
Some of these same people participate in some of the Direct Action Network
and various affinity group activities which seem to me to be more similar to
the Unfolding society, than Parecon. People with similar related interests
freely getting together to do something. Maybe that can provide a bridge to
these ideas for them. Then they can see that you don't need to have some
picture of the future world which you must then struggle to bring into
existence and force the world into that mold. Rather focus on liberating
people and creating/supporting/using ways to network and work together and
let the future unfold on it's own.
Plus if any debates arose, they'd be fun to watch. Ideas like Parecon don't
get enough criticism. :)
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