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Re: [ox-en] hackers v 'politicians'

Hi

On Mon 18-Aug-2003 at 03:42:30AM -0400, Art McGee wrote:


On the other hand, the radicals I associate with,
techies and non-techies, are usually pretty clear about
the fact that open source/free software production
serves as an additional model of societal and economic
organization, although it's not unique in it's concepts.
Maybe I just hang out with a better class of Lefty, but
I don't think so.


Really? I guess you haven't met many people from the UK
Trotskyist and associated left... I have tried to engage
people here about stuff and they generally don't get it at
all. They don't even come up with the aruguments that
Raoul deals with so well in his "Free Software and Market
Relations" text [1], so I don't get a change to have a
debate with them.

Also there seems to be very little interest in even using
the internet to it's full extent -- for example they are
all afraid of having open archives of their lists in case
people from the outside can read what they are discussing,
and this is not a made up qoute:

  The problem with having archives on view to the outside
  world is that it does not actually encourage visitors to
  participate- it encourages a them and us mentality- in
  which voyeurs watch us list members performing like
  baboons at the zoo!

There are exceptions to this, the people doing the
Marxists Internet Archive [2], and people doing Indymedia
stuff. Personally I have more-or-less got to the stage
where I can only really be bothered to work with the
lefties who do get it.

Chris


[1] http://www.oekonux.org/texts/marketrelations.html

[2] http://www.marxists.org/

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