Re: [ox-en] Re: [ox] Re: Oekonux and politics
- From: Stefan Meretz <stefan.meretz hbv.org>
- Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 11:13:20 +0200
Hi StefanMn and all,
reading "old" mails I just want to give my view to archives at this point:
On Friday 10 October 2003 19:57, Stefan Merten wrote:
I remember well how the OHA discussion started more than 1 1/2 year
ago. I dared to cite a systematic sociologist. Have I been bashed on
the German lists! From the start there were all kinds of suspicions
against me and my intentions. If there is one important debate on
Oekonux which may receive the label "closed-minded" then it is this
one. IMHO it is not by chance that this is on a classical topic of the
That's your view on this debate. My view on it is completely different.
I agree with your "definition" of ox as "trans-left" (given in another
mail). If I have to choose a label for myself, I would prefere that. From
this standpoint I made my strong interventions against this "systematic
sociologist", because his theories are entirely located in the
traditional framework of thinking, in which even the "left" and the
"right" are parts (yes, both). There is not a bit of "trans-thinking" in
it. So my critic on you was, that you are moving inside the traditional
framework. When you use the not very friendly term "closed-minded", you
try to put yourself outside. However, in the debate, I feel, this term
fits on you. - I think such labels do not help in any way.
This debate is completely unsolved. Please do not fix or close it.
I think this has changed a bit now but there is still *a lot* of
scepticism only to admit other ways of thinking about
OrganizationDominionAnarchism than the traditional left (may be more
the anarchist currents).
In my view your position is traditional mainstream left e.g. as I
experience it in ver.di (the union I work for). So, who did change?
What is trans-left? ..trans-right? ..trans-political?
In another mail I try to give my view on what the essence of the debate
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