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Re: [ox-en] "counteracting causes" and the most productive class - Negri's Leninism?



Graham and Rich

the questions I wrote where actually for another place but for oxen this passsage seems pretty relevant:

ultra snip fo the purpose of focus: "the computer requires the sweat shop, and the cyborg's existence is premised on the slave."

"Why is capital worried about communal land tenure in Africa, for example, if the true source of productivity is to be found in the cyborgs of the planet? One answer is simply that these factories, lands, and brothels in the Third World are locales of "the counteracting causes" to the tendency of the falling rate of profit. They increase the total pool of surplus labor, help depress wages, cheapen the elements of constant capital, and tremendously expand the labor market and make possible the development of high-tech industries which directly employ only a few knowledge workers or cyborgs."

"In order for there to be an average rate of profit throughout the capitalist system, branches of industry that employ very little labor but a lot of machinery must be able to have the right to call on the pool of value that high-labor, low-tech branches create. If there were no such branches or no such right, then the average rate of profit would be so low in the high-tech, low-labor industries that all investment would stop and the system would terminate. Consequently, "new enclosures" in the countryside must accompany the rise of "automatic processes" in industry, the computer requires the sweat shop, and the cyborg's existence is premised on the slave."

the issue I suppose is "whose new society" does the gpl found .....

Seaman wrote:

On Fri, 27 Feb 2004, Graham Seaman wrote:

On Fri, 27 Feb 2004, Robin Green wrote:

On Fri, Feb 27, 2004 at 08:38:41AM [PHONE NUMBER REMOVED], auskadi tvcabo.co.mz wrote:
But is it as cut and dry as Caffentzis makes out - the Negrian focus is on the cyborgs?
I don't think so. I haven't read Negri, but from what I have read of
this report:

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2003/11/280632.html

on the famous debate between Negri and Callinicos (representing the Marxist/Leninist/Trotskyite tendencies), Negri seems to be EXPANDING
the "revolutionary class" into what he calls the Multitudes - rather
than restricting attention to a small subset of the "working class".
In former (national) times this would have been called populism. Negri's
novelty is not in being a populist, but in redefining populism for a world
claimed/projected to be without national boundaries, as multitudinism.
But IMO multitudinism has exactly the same weaknesses and dangers as
populism.

good grief, that sounds pompous. oh, well, it's still what I think.

Graham

Graham

Quote:

"Negri's speech was of course long and somewhat complicated but made
essentially those points that work is no longer confined to the
official working day but extends itself into all of life; going to
and from work, consuming etc. "The factory is no longer the sole
producer of value." He also attacked the traditional Marxist
conceptions of the relation of agricultural workers as being outside
the working class and their analysis of women etc. Essentially the
Trotskyist fetishisation of the factory and the blue collar, full
time worker etc., as being the main agent of social transformation.
The multitude was a "multiplicity of singularities", that realized
that value is produced across society and not just "at work"."

Or is it as has been claimed or stated to me in the past on GO - that Negri sees the poor as the where the revolutionary subjectivities will arise.
That's too simplistic as well.

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