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Hi Michel,

many thanks for this info. if you decide to join Team Beta tester and publish this in the BT Forum in this thread ( you get one Information Vode (T) accredited to your account. you can exchange it into money after the cva has taken place. the second main function of iv (which you are presumable more interested in) is to measure knowledge of a community member in a particular area (T stands for theory). over the long run, this will be a criteria to invite people for positions requiring knowledge in that particular area (iv-"T" for the interest fraction "rationality" in this particular case).

i like the term liberal communism. i think this pretty much describes our main believes. will do a google on this.

regarding the consumer participation, its the very same idea. however (if Dominique does not include other forces), i think a simply "consumer/user-producer" participation often would create a stale-mate situation because those interests are diametrically opposed; especially if both interests have an equal voting power i think its difficult to implement in practise. therefore, we included five major "production forces" and gave them an equal 20% voting power on the decisions. in many decisions, theoretically at least, there is an unbiased 60% (e.g. rationality, vn people and open movement on the decision on the price of the personal line of code as it primarily affects user and artists) "voting power buffer". so despite adding more interests, the splitting of powers and the non-affection of a large interest fraction might be benefitial for getting the necessary focus and allow for effective decisionmaking. perhaps at least.


On Thu, 06 Apr 2006 11:44:30 [PHONE NUMBER REMOVED], Michael Bouwens <michelsub2003> wrote:

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This is not directly related to the contribution, but to the general topic.
 I once read a book Liberal Communism, by Dominique Pelbois.
Innovative in this utopian scheme, was the integration of consumers in the decision-making process of enterprises. In other words, they would be co-owned by producers and consumers. I think that this is a very valid point. The community in free software should not just be those that contribute, but those that use it. This avoids any selfishness in policy making. The market then becomes the internal dialogue of the community, rather than an external impersonal mechanism. In June, when I will start thinking about a governance process for the p2p foundation, I will certainly strive to integrate the community of users, into the governance process.

Markus <markus> wrote:  there are two issues here:

1), who should get something and how much in the case of the mozilla
2), whether there should be a "killer application" open source software to
the benefit of the whole community; not owned by a private entity but by
representatives of the community. now, i see this list as an appropriate
(because its long term) forum to pose this question.

dont get paid) yet they dont get anything back.

That's bullshit. They get back improvements and bugfixes to firefox,

as for 1), true and defenitely you have a valid point. you very well can
be satisfied with this. and given the upfront investment of aol this seems
indeed fair. however, i have to admit that my desire to see open source
successful something has a negative impact on my objectivity. apologies.
luckily there are people like you who reveal this.

regarding 2, personally, i believe that a browser with such revenue
potential could be of much more help to the overall success of open
source. but i see that not many inhere share this believe. perhaps over
time ill see if im wrong. right now im stubborn.

paid for by the ad revenue and donations. 40(?) members of staff don't
work for free you know.

i specifically mentioned the beta testers and not the 35 staff members of
the mozilla for-profit corporation. as i said, i asked for some insight
how many people (beta tester, people who write translations, extenstions
etc) invest their time into the development of mozilla for no exchange of

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