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Re: [ox-en] Re: [ox-en] Re: [ox-en] Re: Material peer production (was: Re: [ox-en]Motto for the 4th conference)

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From: Dmytri Kleiner <dk>
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Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 9:07:56 PM
Subject: [ox-en]  Re: [ox-en]  Re: [ox-en]  Re: Material peer production (was: Re: [ox-en]Motto for the 4th conference)

On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 05:40:12 -0800 (PST), Michael Bauwens

If you think the non-reciprocal aspects of peer
production is confused,


Hi Micheal, I am out of time for oekonux for the day, I will take


and try to explain how the free contributions to free
software and the wikipedia can be explained in any
other way than through what fiske calls communal


People contribute to free software because they need it in their own
production to or for wages paid by others who need for production.

This includes potential wages that motivate doing unpaid or

hoping to increase ones labour value through exposure and skills
development,this is not different than interns and apprentices in any 
field who do unpaid or underpaid work hoping to increase their labour 

Research demonstrates that there is a wide variety of motivations, not just what you state, but this is not the point. The point is that: each freely contribute towards the common pool, can profit from that common pool, may or not gain all kinds of different value, BUT, unlike the gift economy, there is nothing strictly reciprocal about it, this is why anthropologists call it generalized exchange, as opposed to reciprocal exchange. As long as you cannot prove, that a contributor is guaranteed a reciprocal value, we are not in the field of reciprocity.

The comparison with interns is only valid form the point of view of the corporations seeking to profit from either form. Interns do not work freely for a common pool.

However, economically, the reason wages are available for

of free software is because it is an input to production, having

stock of information assets helps create more wealth, and this wealth
is the source of the motivation.

that is NOT what is commonly understood under peer

IMO, peer production is not commonly understood, rather commonly

Co-operatives are not necessarily composed of independent equals
working on a common stock of productive assets. This, to me,
is peer production.

however, there are interpretations of it as a gift
economy, but that just doesn't work in explaining peer

A gift economy is reciprocal too.

yes exactly, the gift economy is based on reciprocity, peer production not

basically the scheme is one whereby every corporation
is owned by both its workers (less than half) and its
consumers/users (more than half, since price is more
than cost); this insures that these corporations are
working for social needs, and the market is
'integrated' inside the corporation (since user demand
is automatically included),not an external feature of

Interesting. I would especially be interested in how the
author imagined such a society coming about.

very similar to yours, by starting out one project that constitutes the capital to continue growing outwards

Thanks Michel.

Dmytri Kleiner
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