Re: [ox-en] Kula and other comments from Gregers
- From: Gregers Petersen <gp.ioa cbs.dk>
- Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 09:22:24 +0100
Dmytri Kleiner wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:29:07 +0100, Gregers Petersen <gp.ioa cbs.dk> wrote:
This is a discussion which takes place between you and me, it might take
place on a public mailing-list - but I'm talking to you not everyone in
I disagree, we are having a discussion on a public list exactly because
are welcome to read and contribute. This is n or about me or my specific
knowledge, you are simply
posturing, expecting me to defer to your rank by making the topic how many
books we have read, presumable
to demonstrate you have read more. Forget it, assume I have read none and
make your point.
Not sure what you are asking, a big man is an form of chief or sub chief
as far as I know.
Here you'r some what wrong: A "Big Man" is given authority by people,
while a "Great Man" has authority over people (wields power) - and this
then asks; what is a "chief"?
I already answer this. A chiefdom is a postulated transitional society
between kin-communal and state-based, I'm certain you know this so
if you have some new information to add, please do so and _apply_ it
to the topic being discussed.
This is not a who knows more about anthropology contest.
Could you elaborate with an example or two, of such chiefdoms?
No. Why should I when you have not established the relevance of any of
What point are you trying to make?
I will make an analogy.
You seem to identify with being a software-developer, a coder. Then you
probably also know how the process of submitting a patch to an existing
Someone like you comes along and presents an interesting idea, the
present core-developers of the project takes a look at the code (text)
and they start making comments - a discussion between individuals take
place about specific details and methodology. Someone like me ends-up
taking a look a the patch (thinking like others that the idea is
interesting), applies it to a build, and then it happens. The patch
brakes the build and numerous errors are flagged.
I make a note on the official mailing-list, mentioning that using the
"object" Kula in the way it is done in your patch doesn't compile. The
very odd thing is that you never ask me for an explanation about what
Kula is all about? Would your reaction had been the same if I instead of
stating; 'the anthropologists' - had stated 'kernel-coders' have found
out that this use of Kula is wrong. Would you have reacted differently
to such an statement?
But, all this results in a problematic discussion between you and me,
which slowly uncovers that the various arguments in your patch have been
copied from unknown sources - you seem to be very unwilling to offers
the essential credits. It even ends with you admitting that you have no
idea about how the code you'r using works - you have just mashed
Unfortunately this discussion ends with me making the point: RTFM!
You on the other hand, just 'flame around' and deny that you need to
read and understand the manual, you even deny that you need to re-write
your own patch - you even claim that it is up to someone like me to fix
your patch, to re-write the code in your name.
The reality is that you will never get anywhere with your patch, if you
don't listen to what the present developers are commenting and
suggesting, and accept that you need and have to do some hard work.
Making accusations and trying to intimidate people will just get you
I'm not asking you to feel sorry for me, I'm telling you not to assign me
work or ask me
to make your argument for you. If you have something to say, say it,
don't waste our time with games.
You make a very particular mistake in your last sentence (above). You
suddently use the plural tense ('our') - using 'third person' requires
both that you know who you are speaking for and that these people
acknowledge that you have the right to speak on their behalf. You should
a long time ago have learned that you can only speak with one voice, and
that people only will appreciate your ideas if they are convincing and
rest on hard work - claiming to be a "Big Man" does not make one a "Big
This ends this discussion.
Anthropologist, Ph.d fellow
Department of Organization
Copenhagen Business School
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