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Re: [ox-en] Peer Economy. A Transition Concept.



Stan,

do you agree with christian's assessment?

how does your project relate to both market exchange and effort sharing?

Michel

On 4/17/08, Christian Siefkes <christian siefkes.net> wrote:
Hi Michel, hi all,

Michel Bauwens wrote:
yes, that weighted labour idea is something that I find most
interesting. Have you any idea of a plan of implementation?

Well, actual implementation doesn't make much sense without any projects
using it. I have some ideas in that direction, but it's definitively a topic
for further work... ;-)

Such patterns, I suppose, will emerge whenever people try to solve the
problems I discuss (whether they know my book or not), because there simply
aren't that many possible solutions. If my book will inspire some of them,
so much the better (that was indeed one of my goals).

that is indeed the value of your work, indicating a possible pathway

do you have a typology of 'possible solutions' other than your own?

Well, I only have a typology of possible modes of productions, which roughly
looks as follows:

1. based on personal dependencies (feudalism etc.)
2. based on market exchange (capitalism)
3. based on hierarchical planning (Soviet Union etc.)
4. based on effort sharing (Peerconomy)

Most so-called "solutions" (including, e.g., Stan Rhodes' ideas; and Dmytri
Kleiner, of course) are just attempts to somehow "improve" mode 2, not
realizing that market exchange is already optimal for a very specific
problem (how to turn money into more money) and very inadequate as a base
for need-driven production.

And then there's the "techno-utopian" branch (exemplified on this list by
Stefan Merten), who conclude, that, since we already know how to produce and
share freely copyable things, all we have to do to generalize this model is
to ensure that everything can be copied freely! That's not a solution --
it's just an attempt to wish away the problem.

I think there is actually quite a bit of activity around open
hardware/physical production through open design communities

only 2-3 years ago, the field was in the doldrums, with negative
assessments of the previous wave of experiments (expressed by graham
seaman if I'm not mistaken); but as I discovered about 6 months ago,
and which prompted me to create the design pages, see
http://p2pfoundation.net/Category:Design, the field is again in a
strong moment of re-emergence, with tons of practical projects
emerging in all kinds of fields:

http://p2pfoundation.net/Product_Hacking

Well, open design is important, but it's only the first step. A peer
production process for turning open design into physical goods is still
missing. Compared to free software, it is as if you know how to design
software, but lack a programming language to implement it, and a compiler to
turn it into byte code. I think that'll change, but it'll take a few years
(at least).

Still, all those open design projects are very nice, and it would be great
to have a better overview of them -- some detailed directory such as
FreshMeat, but for open/free design instead of software. As far as I can
see, there are some long lists of free design projects (your Product Hacking
page in the P2P Wiki, and in the Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_design ,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_source_hardware ), and there are some
directories for specific areas, such as Graham's www.opencollector.org . But
 there doesn't seem to be a general-purpose directory collecting detail
information (which projects can add and edit themselves) over all kinds of
free design projects. Or did I overlook something? Anyone knows better? --
Graham, I assume you would know whether there exists some such
general-purpose "Free Design Directory"?

And if it doesn't yet exist, maybe it would be a good idea to set it up?

Best regards
       Christian

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