Re: [ox-en] There is no such thing like "peer money"
- From: "Michel Bauwens" <michelsub2004 gmail.com>
- Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 14:03:40 +0700
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Thanks for the clarification.
Question: does stressing the value-lessness of the reallyu valuable things,
not in the end means we accept the capitalist logic, i.e. by saying that
what has no exchange value has no 'value', we confirm the money logic.
So my take is rather to stress the value of things that have no exchange
value, yet are extremely valuable for humanity.
Furthermore, from my readings, it seems that even within Marxism (and
certainly amongst post-Marxists like Negri) many have abandoned the labour
theory of value.
But in any case, it is always difficult to use a private language in a
public forum, and perhaps just as good a strategy to accept common usage,
but to inflect it.
Michel
On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 1:57 PM, Franz Nahrada <f.nahrada reflex.at> wrote:
Michel Bauwens writes:
I'm not the one saying free software has no value, while in fact, it has
tremendous 'use' value. Otherwise, why would anybody bother using it?
You can only understand this on the background of sophisticted German
theoreticians expression. Because Marx uses "value" to sharply distinct
the "essence from the appearance of exchange value" (a very important
theoretical achievement imho indeed, and maybe easier to express in German
with "Wertform" and "Wertsubstanz", the term "valueless" has been applied
by the Marxists to express the respective qualities of phenomena: A
household work is valueless in that sense, and in contradiction to the
usual usage of the term it means a "non-affectedness by value form".
Unfortunately, the direct translation from theoretical insight into
everday language is more difficult than some acknowledge. A country in
which a group of intellectuals comes up with a "Manifesto Against Labour"
has a pretty peculiar scene of thought which directly negates popular use
of language (and also ambiguity of forms) - a grave mistake in my eyes.
Also, there are more sophisticated attempts to express this - like in
German you can distinguish between "wertlos" and "wertfrei" ("value-less"
versus "value-free").
Franz
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