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Thanks, Athina.  I will do what you say.

 I should note, in the interest of open disclosure, that I have been an
employee of Harvard, Northwestern and Virginia Tech universities.  It would
be disingenuous for me to ride too a horse about  higher ed.

There is a new effort going on now concerning a charter for best practices
in community engagement that may serve as a suitable base; I will post a
link in the next couple of days since I am not as good as Michel at building
stockpiles on de.licio.us.

Anyone else who wishes to offer a collaborative foundation, method, or tools
besides a wiki should gather their thoughts and speak out as time goes
forward.

I continue to applaud and welcome the general concept and can imagine the
risks and frustrations associated with moving forward.

Ryan Lanham



On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 2:02 PM, Athina Karatzogianni <athina.k gmail.com>wrote:


Hi Ryan

I am all for what you propose, please take the initiative.

I would also like to add here if I may, in response one of your previous
emails, the fact that i happen to be an academic and hull is interested in
supporting this effort (i have kept  chasing them around for the past 2
years!) is somehow causing political concern in terms of excluding non
academics and other more serious ideological issues, which I recognize as
valid.

Nevertheless, it feels a constant barrier having to defend any sort of
effort of volunteering my time. Those that know me personally and my work
more generally will know were my political loyalties have been and will
continue to be. They are not with institutions and certainly not with
hierarchies.

Please take the lead in this, and whoever else wants to take initiatives
they are here to be taken. I am not excluding anyone and neither does what
happens to be my current affiliation. In a way I am trying to say that this
is a research group for p2p researchers, how can it have different logic and
how it can exclude anyone? I have taken it for granted that it has a peer
logic. Doing charters and discussing governance perhaps someone like you can
the the lead in. All I trying to do is set up, host everyone for a first
time in hull to discuss all these issues and create some sort of governance
structure for the group when we meet face to face and get some funding
going.

Cheers

Athina


On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Ryan Lanham <rlanham1963 gmail.com>wrote:


Hi Michel,

Thanks.  A constitution isn't a bad idea, but rather than one drafter,
I'll look for a starting point that is more collaborative and perhaps an
open section of the wiki could be used to gather broad inpur.  I'd be happy
to shepherd and encourage that process.

Perhaps others with interests in open and collaborative governance could
take significant roles in editing.

Ryan Lanham
rlanham1963 gmail.com
Facebook: Ryan_Lanham



On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 1:13 AM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 gmail.com>wrote:


Hi Ryan,

I don't think any social or political change project can bypass
altogether all institutions, it needs to work both within and without. This
being said, while aiming for funding obviously demands playing by some
rules, I think that for all participants who believe in the P2P ethos, no
research project can or should be exclusive to academic researchers. In my
view, the new group should also be able to assist non-academic researchers.

Perhaps, we could write a manifesto of sorts, that would serve as the
'constitution' of the group, which would specific this,

Would you be interested in taking the lead in writing this?

Michel

On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 5:37 AM, Ryan Lanham <rlanham1963 gmail.com>wrote:




I applaud this initiative and bravo to those offering the funding.  On
the other hand, lists of  "researchers" meaning people at academic
institutions who write papers for journals seems a failed model that is less
in need of reinforcement than rejection.

Research in an academic sense is not p2p, hasn't been, and never will
be.  I would not exclude it, I just would feed it by giving it additional
free assets of prestige and focus without their earning those resources in
open (truly open) communities.

Ryan Lanham



On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 5:09 AM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 gmail.com

wrote:



    I´m extremely happy to announce this initiative, which will enable
people interested in p2p dynamics to more easily appeal for research
funding.

B  elow is a short announcement from Athina Karatzogianni, please ask
for the document that she is referring to in her email listed below. If you
are involved with research, academic or not, please let us know and do
forward this message to other networks.

If you have no access to the attached document, please request one from
Athina via email



Michel Bauwens




Text:

"The P2P Foundation <http://p2pfoundation.net/> in collaboration with
the University of Hull <http://www.hull.ac.uk/>are creating a
P2PResearch Group (P2PRG) with a physical base in Hull, in order to initiate
a material equivalent to the various virtual networks we are all part of.
Some of the goals of the group are to attract funding to improve already
existent infrastructures, create more material and immaterial networks and
hubs and capture funding for research, conferences and workshops. A
conference scheduled for November will also produce a direct and transparent
steering committee to oversee the various activities of the group.
Therefore, it would be particularly helpful, if everyone, who is interested
in participating, fills as much information as they can, in the document
attached, and email it to Athina<http://www.hull.ac.uk/humanities/media_studies/staff/athina_karatzogianni/>at
athina.k gmail.com"

see and forward doc attached (please edit doc michel as you see fit)

athina



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The Dean's Representative (Chinese Partnerships)
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HU6 7RX
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Dr Athina Karatzogianni
Lecturer in Media, Culture and Society
The Dean's Representative (Chinese Partnerships)
Faculty of Arts and Social Sciences
The University of Hull
United Kingdom
HU6 7RX
T: ++44 (0) 1482 46 5790
F: ++44 (0) 1482 466107

http://www.hull.ac.uk/humanities/media_studies/staff/athina_karatzogianni/





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The University of Hull
United Kingdom
HU6 7RX
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F: ++44 (0) 1482 466107
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