Basically I agree with this critique but would offer a twist. The
university as secret society model is rapidly vanishing and making space for
the university as business model. Where university knowledge formerly has
been hidden away, it is now opening up to all kinds of so called effiencies
such as auditing, quality control, usability, just in time delivery,
customer service and so on. Not sure what is worse.
Andreas
________________________________
From: Ryan Lanham [rlanham1963 gmail.com]
Sent: Sun 19/04/2009 03:17
To: Wittel, Andreas
Cc: Athina Karatzogianni; list-en oekonux.org; p2pf yahoogroups.com;
Peer-To-Peer Research List
Subject: Re: [p2p-research] [p2pf] Launch of P2P Research Group
It seems to me that there are at least two ways institutions can be judged
successful: First, they can be viewed as survivors in an ecology. To
succeed, they need only continue. The second way to success is in serving
some purpose well.
Monolithic knowledge has few supporters these days. So if one opts for the
second and more human purpose, there needs to be a mission beyond "veritas".
Teaching does not seem to be the mission of most institutions; it is a
byproduct. Few who study teaching find universities to be particularly good
at it, and teaching is rarely studied as a pursuit in universities outside
of the discipline of education. Boosting people into competencies is a
plausible mission, but even there, universities are hardly efficient or
effective.
I think universities had two symbiotic purposes--one to imbue students with
associative identity and institutional prestige--with a byproduct of some
learning, and the second, more elemental mission was to earn that prestige
through "scholarship."
So the real question of the worth or failure of universities comes back, it
seems to me, to the meaning of scholarship. P2P modes exist
(spontaneously?) for efficiencies of minimalizing institutional
burdens--bureaucracy, identity, prestige, norms, hierachies, etc.
My condemnation of universities is in finding their definitions of
scholarship to be (too often) solipsistic, removed from relevance and, more
generally, exclusive. They failed by hiding their product from
transparency. Instead, they chose to form guilds and to perfect trade
secrets, normative rituals, and to act more like secret societies than
service entities.
Regardless, knowledge is useful and universities contribute almost in spite
of themselves. Learned individuals do the right things--perhaps as Athina
is doing--just because they embody the very desires for meaning, value and
efficiency that are at the heart of the p2p ethos. In a sense, p2p success
at universities requires fighting the conventional institutional overhead
When the two blend, the academy washes out the authenticity of p2p through
institutional machinery that simply can't be abandoned by most. People need
the church acoutrements that Marc suggests exist. p2p is thus potentially
lost in the very mechanics it innocently undermines. Like water against a
shore, it will bounce back and meld in because its dissolving power is very
microscopic--at the level of the person...it is not aggregated to the
perspective of people who view the world from institutional eyes...as land
and sea. But sometimes there are storms and rapid shifts, to extend a
metaphor way too far!
Ryan Lanham
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 5:38 PM, Wittel, Andreas <andreas.wittel ntu.ac.uk>
wrote:
This is a interesting question.
As I have hosted the workshop in Nottingham, I 'd like to share my
experience with Nottingham Trend Uni. I asked the IT people to set up a wiki
and was told that this is not possible as NTU wanted control over content.
Obviously the result was a dead web site, suitable for information around
the time of the conference, and dead later.
I would suspect that most unis have this policy. Should Hull be more
open, and open to a wiki, and willing to fund the site, then I would welcome
this and take advantage of it. However if Hull has (1) similar concerns
about wikis as NTU, and (2) does not fund a non-Hull website for the
research group, I would follow Ryan's suggestion to set up the p2p research
group without uni affiliation.
Basically we dont need uni support to set up a research group. But
we do need uni support (in terms of funding) to meet for conferences and
workshops.
One more thing. Ryan said ealier.
On the other hand, lists of "researchers" meaning people at
academic institutions who write papers for journals seems a failed model
As much as my academic heart agrees with this due to all kinds of
frustrations in this world, I find this a dangerous statement as it puts
universities in the realm of history. Are you really suggesting we dont need
unis any more? How about newspapers? Art? Literature? Sould all this (which
is under serious threat atm) be allowed to be swept away for
non-insitituational knowledge work to succeed?
For those interested in the relevance of history in the information
age I'd recommend Alan Liu (2004), The Laws of Cool.
Andreas
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Sent: Sat 18/04/2009 20:23
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Subject: Re: [p2p-research] [p2pf] Launch of P2P Research Group
Thanks, Athina. I will do what you say.
I should note, in the interest of open disclosure, that I have been
an employee of Harvard, Northwestern and Virginia Tech universities. It
would be disingenuous for me to ride too a horse about higher ed.
There is a new effort going on now concerning a charter for best
practices in community engagement that may serve as a suitable base; I will
post a link in the next couple of days since I am not as good as Michel at
building stockpiles on de.licio.us <http://de.licio.us/> <
http://de.licio.us/> .
Anyone else who wishes to offer a collaborative foundation, method,
or tools besides a wiki should gather their thoughts and speak out as time
goes forward.
I continue to applaud and welcome the general concept and can
imagine the risks and frustrations associated with moving forward.
Ryan Lanham
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 2:02 PM, Athina Karatzogianni <
athina.k gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Ryan
I am all for what you propose, please take the initiative.
I would also like to add here if I may, in response one of
your previous emails, the fact that i happen to be an academic and hull is
interested in supporting this effort (i have kept chasing them around for
the past 2 years!) is somehow causing political concern in terms of
excluding non academics and other more serious ideological issues, which I
recognize as valid.
Nevertheless, it feels a constant barrier having to defend
any sort of effort of volunteering my time. Those that know me personally
and my work more generally will know were my political loyalties have been
and will continue to be. They are not with institutions and certainly not
with hierarchies.
Please take the lead in this, and whoever else wants to take
initiatives they are here to be taken. I am not excluding anyone and neither
does what happens to be my current affiliation. In a way I am trying to say
that this is a research group for p2p researchers, how can it have different
logic and how it can exclude anyone? I have taken it for granted that it has
a peer logic. Doing charters and discussing governance perhaps someone like
you can the the lead in. All I trying to do is set up, host everyone for a
first time in hull to discuss all these issues and create some sort of
governance structure for the group when we meet face to face and get some
funding going.
Cheers
Athina
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Ryan Lanham <
rlanham1963 gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Michel,
Thanks. A constitution isn't a bad idea, but rather
than one drafter, I'll look for a starting point that is more collaborative
and perhaps an open section of the wiki could be used to gather broad inpur.
I'd be happy to shepherd and encourage that process.
Perhaps others with interests in open and
collaborative governance could take significant roles in editing.
Ryan Lanham
rlanham1963 gmail.com
Facebook: Ryan_Lanham
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 1:13 AM, Michel Bauwens <
michelsub2004 gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Ryan,
I don't think any social or political change
project can bypass altogether all institutions, it needs to work both within
and without. This being said, while aiming for funding obviously demands
playing by some rules, I think that for all participants who believe in the
P2P ethos, no research project can or should be exclusive to academic
researchers. In my view, the new group should also be able to assist
non-academic researchers.
Perhaps, we could write a manifesto of sorts,
that would serve as the 'constitution' of the group, which would specific
this,
Would you be interested in taking the lead in
writing this?
Michel
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 5:37 AM, Ryan Lanham
<rlanham1963 gmail.com> wrote:
I applaud this initiative and bravo
to those offering the funding. On the other hand, lists of "researchers"
meaning people at academic institutions who write papers for journals seems
a failed model that is less in need of reinforcement than rejection.
Research in an academic sense is not
p2p, hasn't been, and never will be. I would not exclude it, I just would
feed it by giving it additional free assets of prestige and focus without
their earning those resources in open (truly open) communities.
Ryan Lanham
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 5:09 AM,
Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 gmail.com> wrote:
I´m extremely happy to
announce this initiative, which will enable people interested in p2p
dynamics to more easily appeal for research funding.
B elow is a short
announcement from Athina Karatzogianni, please ask for the document that she
is referring to in her email listed below. If you are involved with
research, academic or not, please let us know and do forward this message to
other networks.
If you have no access to the
attached document, please request one from Athina via email
Michel Bauwens
Text:
"The P2P Foundation <
http://p2pfoundation.net/> in collaboration with the University of Hull <
http://www.hull.ac.uk/> are creating a P2PResearch Group (P2PRG) with a
physical base in Hull, in order to initiate a material equivalent to the
various virtual networks we are all part of. Some of the goals of the group
are to attract funding to improve already existent infrastructures, create
more material and immaterial networks and hubs and capture funding for
research, conferences and workshops. A conference scheduled for November
will also produce a direct and transparent steering committee to oversee the
various activities of the group. Therefore, it would be particularly
helpful, if everyone, who is interested in participating, fills as much
information as they can, in the document attached, and email it to Athina <
http://www.hull.ac.uk/humanities/media_studies/staff/athina_karatzogianni/>
at athina.k gmail.com"
see and forward doc attached
(please edit doc michel as you see fit)
athina
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