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Hi Diego, Michel, all! In a way it is good to reiterate all this stuff. It makes me think again about some concepts in the light of today's knowledge. Last week (12 days ago) Michel Bauwens wrote:
scarcity can be engineered, both for immaterial products, through IP legislation for rent extraction, but also in the physical work, thing of Monsanto's terminator seeds; in fact, Roberto Verzola makes a strong case that capitalist markets are scarcity-engineering in their very nature; On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Diego Saravia <diego.saravia gmail.com>wrote:scarcity is not engineered, is a basic part of every life or ecological system
May be I should re-introduce the specific meaning of some notions here as it is often used in Oekonux. * By deposits (looking for a better word) I understand the amount of deposits of a certain resource. This applies to all deposits of that certain resource regardless of whether today they are accessible, inaccessible or even still unknown. For example there are certainly deposits of metals on other planets in the solar system though they are probably not known today and certainly not accessible for human use. Deposits are the really hard limitation set by nature. However, this limitation is usually not very relevant. Read on. * By limitations I understand those limits which are imposed on mankind by specific historical conditions not alienated from the well-being of humans. By non-alienated here I mean conditions which at least in principle can be changed by political decisions as part of the normal political process of a society. See below for the difference. [1]_ .. [1] In fact I'm not totally happy with this definition because it does not express exactly what I'm thinking about. Help to improve it is appreciated. These historical conditions include technical abilities but also political decisions. For instance accessibility of a deposit is largely a question of the availability of technical means to access it. Whether you want to access a deposit or not can also be subject of a political decision: You may not want to destroy this part of nature just to access some iron ore. Since by definition limitations are based on historical conditions which are subject to change by the normal political process they can be influenced by mankind. You can invent new technical means or you can make another political decision. As far as production is concerned you can make a political decision that you want to create ampleness of a certain good to supply the request for it. If we look at the peer production movement I see it as one of the challenges to step by step create the foundations to make such political decisions easier or - even better - just remove limitations at all. The invention of universal digital copy (aka Internet) for instance lifted a major technical limitation in the distribution of (digitized) information. See also the respective entry in the DrawingBoard_. .. _DrawingBoard: http://en.wiki.oekonux.org/Oekonux/DrawingBoard#building-means-of-production-from-the-ground-up * By scarcity I understand a situation where limits are alienated from the well-being of humans. Of course this is particularly true for capitalism since capitalism needs to prevent ampleness to make exchange useful at all. This need to prevent ampleness is what in capitalism I call scarcity. In fact the quote from Michel above gives a few examples but in a more general sense I'd expand them to all of exchange based production. If the goal of your production is to exchange other things for the products then you have a clear incentive to make your goods as expensive as possible to get the most return. Or in other words: To raise prices. In capitalism this trend to raise prices is countered by competition. Anyway this force to get the most return imposes scarcity. Even if you would have the production capabilities to feed the whole world - which in many cases we have already on this planet - you won't do this because from giving your products away for gree you don't get a return. Peer production is based on a very different logic here. You get no more return if you withhold your products from the world or not. In fact you get no return in the sense of exchange for your products at all. Even in the contrary: If you share your goods as wide as possible there is a better chance that your product will be improved. Though this is again not a direct return for you it may make your life more comfortable because you have a better product. In any case it improves the well-being of all of mankind. In fact this logic is opposed to exchange since an exchange logic would destroy the sharing and introduce scarcity. Grüße Stefan _________________________________ Web-Site: http://www.oekonux.org/ Organization: http://www.oekonux.de/projekt/ Contact: projekt oekonux.de
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