Re: [ox-en] Re: [ox] Re: Oekonux and politics
- From: Rich Walker <rw shadow.org.uk>
- Date: 17 Oct 2003 04:11:27 +0100
[i hear the ripping noise of a can of worms]
There are other aspects also. IMHO the developers of Free Software
share some features with entrepreneurs. When I say Free Software
transcends capitalism then this is one of the aspects of this
transcending. This aspect, however, is something which traditionally
is valued far more by liberal positions. You can continue this list.
This is interesting. I think the confusion e.g. Eric Raymond has about
Free Software comes from all the examples of people who "sieze the day"
in American "history" being entrepreneurs. But the process of seeing a
gap or a need in the available material, and attempting to fill that
with a generated item, is fundamental to both "entrepreneurial
capitalism" and the initial stages of Free Software projects.
Indeed: Oekonux theory does not apply.
Why think about financial markets when the GPL society does not have
exchange as a basis? For Oekonux this is a completely void question.
Resource allocation? If we wish to do prioritised resource allocation
with fallback to "by desire" then we need mechanisms in place. The
"market religion" claims that it has the best answer. We suggest that in
a society based on something other than property [bolo'bolo] we might
find other ways to do resource allocation - but I cannot see concrete
proposals to deal with the problem that I want all the gold for my
robots to make giant statues of J.R."Bob" Dobbs, whilst you want them
for your *idiotic* "space exploration" nonsense...
Why think about war when in the GPL society there is no more need for
states which wage war and people do not need to fight any longer for
resources? For Oekonux this is also a rather void question.
Just as a matter of interest, when rival gangs of football fans fight,
are they fighting over resources? In a GPL society, everyone will be
free to have a copy of any football shirt they like, but will Millwall
fans be civilised by this?
You can continue this list.
As I stated above: These are all important questions if you build
dams. If you build dams you need to know how to move earth in high
quantities and make it as hard as possible, compute all the angels as
good as possible and so on. The very most of these questions are
completely meaningless when you want to build ships.
The ships you are describing involve both structural changes to the
economic and political society we live in *and* psychological changes to
the people that live in them.
Despite wishing to be on the side of the angels, I always worry what
happens when the first of the New Generation of Tyrants appears.
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