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Re: [ox-en] Re: Basic income as an option?

  What you say below is correct and is exactly what makes the basic  income interesting. It strengthens the hand of labour. Lots of low  paying jobs will loose their appeal and will have to be paid more or  made more interesting: this is a gain not a loss. At the same time,  creative people will engage in a full activitiy mode, doing free  software, art, organic farming or what have you, but periodically  returning to the job market for their surplus needs.
  This goes against your argument of a minimalising of wages, on the  contrary, the  competition will be to make them higher, in order  to attract labour. Perhaps some sectors will thereby fall outside of  the sphere of the market, and will need cooperative or state-based  initiatives, and there is nothing wrong with that,

This makes only sense if you imply that if you work and get an
unconditionalized basic income in addition you have a much higher
gain. In other words you add a normal wage of today to your
unconditionalized basic income. On the other hand: If, however, the
wage under unconditionalized basic income conditions is exactly as
high as the difference between a wage and the conditionalized basic
income then the gain is as low as before and people have once again no
incentive to work.

Is this correct?

If so then you need to say something about the minimum wages when you
promote for unconditionalized basic income. I mean a wage of
20EUR/month doesn't really improve your living conditions if you
already get 1000EUR/month from an unconditionalized basic income.

Well, there are some contradictions to value theory. The value of the
work / anything relates to the costs to produce the workforce / thing.
If basic income is already enough to produce the workforce then the
add-on by a normal wage actually *can* be minimal - which is different
if the buyer of the workforce needs to produce the workforce by the
money paid for wages. In capitalism this means sooner or later it
*will* be minimal. Otherwise you'll need heavy state regulations and I
can already hear the outcries then...

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