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Re: [ox-en] Re: Importance of price

Hi Stefan,

I had an interesting conversation with a IBM insider recently ...

He said that IBM credited Linux with providing 90% savings, I'm not sure on what exactly, but I would guess on software development costs. Of that savings, it invests 5% for internal Linux development, to its specifications, and 5% to supporting the Linux community 'generally'.

I use benefit-sharing to distinguish it from revenue-sharing, i.e. generalized support to the 'commons as a whole' ...

I also agree with the present criticism on the basic income, I'm not convinced we are culturally/subjectively ready for it, so in the meantime, I think we simply have to observe how the various free software/peer projects handle their sustainability ...

As for the oekonux naming issue, I think I accidentally deleted the message, I think we should agree on 'Free Software and Beyond', given oekonux's context ...

What about working on the subtitle, I would favour: "steps towards a peer economy?", or something that includes that latter concept,

Michel
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From: Stefan Merten <smerten oekonux.de>
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Cc: Stefan Merten <smerten oekonux.de>
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 12:46:04 AM
Subject: Re: [ox-en] Re: Importance of price

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Hi Michael!

Last week (8 days ago) Michael Bauwens wrote:

If you get specific payment for peer production, then it is no
longer peer production, this is not just 'some' danger, but actually
fatal (though of course it can be free software as property format)


Thanks for being so clear :-) . I indeed thought about whether peer
production relates *only* to doubly Free Software. If I read you
correctly you would say so.


A macro-solution is the provision of a generalized nonconditional
income which allows peer production to occur


Yes. (Though I'd say it's purely theoretical for a couple of reasons.)


Microsolution is companies hiring peer producers but paying them
unconditionally, so that peer production can occur


That is what happening to some of the most visible Free Software
producers. Alan Cox - one of the very well-known Linux kernel hackers
- - said this years ago when he was paid by RedHat.

This is also what is happening in cases where companies accept that
their employees work for Free Software projects which are not part of
the core business of that company but nonetheless useful.
Infrastructure software of any kind is a good example of this. I know
that MoinMoin has been developed partly on such a base.

However, I don't know whether this type of support can be generalized
somehow. In software it is rather common that you have a separation
between business projects and other projects.


Companies can also provide 'benefit-sharing' to support the 'general
infrastructure' of the commons on which they depend.


I'm not sure whether I understand 100% what you mean by
benefit-sharing but I could imagine that (commercial) Linux
distributors for instance did this for a rather long time.


Grüße

Stefan
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