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[Converted from multipart/alternative] [1 text/plain] Patrick, One way to test your theories that is within your grasp could be http://code.google.com/p/optimaes/ This is a project that has been around for about 5 years, and could be used to apply your model, and it's dynamics to several model scenarios. You could use it as a vector to communicate with people, by modeling all kinds of systems. I think this (or some similar kind of modeling system) could really be worth your time, and could help you help others better understand how this can work. If you cannot try it out in the real world, perhaps you can at least model it, along with models of real world conditions? On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 4:24 PM, Patrick Anderson <agnucius gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 2:01 PM, Franz Nahrada <f.nahrada reflex.at> wrote:Patrick writes:If you are stranded, alone on an island, price equals cost, right?since there is no money and no monetary exchange, there is neither price nor cost.I see. I've always thought of one's own labor as a cost, and also the exclusionary use of things (such as planting some wheat seeds instead of grinding and baking them) as a cost. Also, the wear on any tools you have made I was considering a cost.What if one of your friends is there with you?We can decide to share our production and its benefits or we can decidetoestablish a market ;-)Yes, that's the sticky part. It sounds like you are suggesting a 'market' is more efficient than 'sharing' (I put those words in quotes because they can mean so many different things, and I'm not sure what you intend). You may be right. I wonder how we can determine that... I think we can have both a market (the trading of goods an services) AND we can have prices either equal to or approaching cost. I don't think this would inhibit trade, in fact I think it would facilitate it, but again, how can we even talk about such ideas to prove them right or wrong. I'm being serious; communicating these things is a major problem for me, and I wonder if I'm not alone in the difficulty. But Franz, if keeping price above cost is really one of our goals, how can we make sure that they rise and stay above cost as the community grows? What I mean, is: under what conditions (of ownership in my opinion) do prices rise above cost, and under what other conditions do they approach or reach cost? _________________________________ Web-Site: http://www.oekonux.org/ Organization: http://www.oekonux.de/projekt/ Contact: projekt oekonux.de
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