Thanks, Athina. I will do what you say.
I should note, in the interest of open disclosure, that I have been an
employee of Harvard, Northwestern and Virginia Tech universities. It would
be disingenuous for me to ride too a horse about higher ed.
There is a new effort going on now concerning a charter for best
practices in community engagement that may serve as a suitable base; I will
post a link in the next couple of days since I am not as good as Michel at
building stockpiles on de.licio.us.
Anyone else who wishes to offer a collaborative foundation, method, or
tools besides a wiki should gather their thoughts and speak out as time goes
forward.
I continue to applaud and welcome the general concept and can imagine
the risks and frustrations associated with moving forward.
Ryan Lanham
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 2:02 PM, Athina Karatzogianni <
athina.k gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Ryan
I am all for what you propose, please take the initiative.
I would also like to add here if I may, in response one of your
previous emails, the fact that i happen to be an academic and hull is
interested in supporting this effort (i have kept chasing them around for
the past 2 years!) is somehow causing political concern in terms of
excluding non academics and other more serious ideological issues, which I
recognize as valid.
Nevertheless, it feels a constant barrier having to defend any sort of
effort of volunteering my time. Those that know me personally and my work
more generally will know were my political loyalties have been and will
continue to be. They are not with institutions and certainly not with
hierarchies.
Please take the lead in this, and whoever else wants to take
initiatives they are here to be taken. I am not excluding anyone and neither
does what happens to be my current affiliation. In a way I am trying to say
that this is a research group for p2p researchers, how can it have different
logic and how it can exclude anyone? I have taken it for granted that it has
a peer logic. Doing charters and discussing governance perhaps someone like
you can the the lead in. All I trying to do is set up, host everyone for a
first time in hull to discuss all these issues and create some sort of
governance structure for the group when we meet face to face and get some
funding going.
Cheers
Athina
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Ryan Lanham <rlanham1963 gmail.com>wrote:
Hi Michel,
Thanks. A constitution isn't a bad idea, but rather than one drafter,
I'll look for a starting point that is more collaborative and perhaps an
open section of the wiki could be used to gather broad inpur. I'd be happy
to shepherd and encourage that process.
Perhaps others with interests in open and collaborative governance
could take significant roles in editing.
Ryan Lanham
rlanham1963 gmail.com
Facebook: Ryan_Lanham
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 1:13 AM, Michel Bauwens <
michelsub2004 gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Ryan,
I don't think any social or political change project can bypass
altogether all institutions, it needs to work both within and without. This
being said, while aiming for funding obviously demands playing by some
rules, I think that for all participants who believe in the P2P ethos, no
research project can or should be exclusive to academic researchers. In my
view, the new group should also be able to assist non-academic researchers.
Perhaps, we could write a manifesto of sorts, that would serve as the
'constitution' of the group, which would specific this,
Would you be interested in taking the lead in writing this?
Michel
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 5:37 AM, Ryan Lanham <rlanham1963 gmail.com>wrote:
I applaud this initiative and bravo to those offering the funding.
On the other hand, lists of "researchers" meaning people at academic
institutions who write papers for journals seems a failed model that is less
in need of reinforcement than rejection.
Research in an academic sense is not p2p, hasn't been, and never
will be. I would not exclude it, I just would feed it by giving it
additional free assets of prestige and focus without their earning those
resources in open (truly open) communities.
Ryan Lanham
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 5:09 AM, Michel Bauwens <
michelsub2004 gmail.com> wrote:
I´m extremely happy to announce this initiative, which will
enable people interested in p2p dynamics to more easily appeal for research
funding.
B elow is a short announcement from Athina Karatzogianni, please
ask for the document that she is referring to in her email listed below. If
you are involved with research, academic or not, please let us know and do
forward this message to other networks.
If you have no access to the attached document, please request one
from Athina via email
Michel Bauwens
Text:
"The P2P Foundation <http://p2pfoundation.net/> in collaboration
with the University of Hull <http://www.hull.ac.uk/>are creating a
P2PResearch Group (P2PRG) with a physical base in Hull, in order to initiate
a material equivalent to the various virtual networks we are all part of.
Some of the goals of the group are to attract funding to improve already
existent infrastructures, create more material and immaterial networks and
hubs and capture funding for research, conferences and workshops. A
conference scheduled for November will also produce a direct and transparent
steering committee to oversee the various activities of the group.
Therefore, it would be particularly helpful, if everyone, who is interested
in participating, fills as much information as they can, in the document
attached, and email it to Athina<http://www.hull.ac.uk/humanities/media_studies/staff/athina_karatzogianni/>at
athina.k gmail.com"
see and forward doc attached (please edit doc michel as you see
fit)
athina
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