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Re: The nature of apple trees (was: Re: [ox-en] apples and moonfruits)





why do you see money as a problem?

the problem of capitalism is exploitation, "money trickery" and "money
actual
extrange loops" are part of that problem, but you can have other money
systems
in other forms of exploitation or cooperation


cant agree more. i defenitely can do without capitalism (as an attitude to exploit others to make more and more money); but while exchange and money certainly have their drawbacks, it has contributed also quite a bit towards development of mankind. imv, money is a very pragmatic and effective tool to get whats needed and it depends on the people what and how the tool is used for.

im wondering on basis of what real world evidence one can be so 200% sure that a world without money and exchange is more effective, desireable and better?!? on basis of wikipedia (it exists for how many months now and is quite actively calling for financial suppport?) or open source software (e.g. drop the financial support of the googles, ibms und suns and what useful piece of software is left?!?)

for me its seems a more logical way to modify and improve an existing exchange based system, which has drawbacks, but also proven itself over time and contributed to overall progress of mankind.

btw, ive been supporting os and cc over the past 7+ years, have invested lots of time for and energy into it and most certainly want them to succeed.

cheers,
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