Re: [ox-en] extrinsic motivation = coercion
- From: Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 gmail.com>
- Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 21:07:33 +0700
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Producing for others does not imply exchange. Look at free software.
Free software is produced for general (unknown) others, but it is not
exchanged. Producing and taking is independent from each other. Free
software ist not exchanged, but spread simply by downloading (taking).
you are right Stefan, but exchange has always been one of the four
interhuman relational forms, existing in all time periods and cultures,
though not dominant as today, but what that means is, if exchange is pretty
inevitable as even partial form, we need to work on a better one
you can have value in non exchange societies,
Where? Value then only in the sense of subjective value.
Not at all Stefan, see David Graeber, a very marxian informed anarchist
anthropologist and his wideranging examination of different value systems,
it's almost always social, almost never purely subjective, and non of his
cases involve capitalist exchange
No, value and money, which should be redistributed by the state. But
both wings (communists and social dems) didn't touch the value form (and
thus money).
and neither do the pro-capitalist-money fraction in Oekonux, you do not want
to touch the value form either, but leave it intact, focusing only on the
'natural growth' of peer production; as far as I'm concerned that's
tweedledee and tweedledom (or whatever that expression is) ...
Michel
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