Re: Language of the Telos & Primacy of State WAS Re: [ox-en] How about a wiki.oekonux.org site?
- From: auskadi <auskadi tvcabo.co.mz>
- Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 20:05:08 +0200
before we get to community unfolding ...
can I ask Stefan a question:
how close is this concept of self unfolding to the negrian concept of
self valorisation?
of course this is nto simply to Stefan but to the "whole"
thanks
Martin
Adam Moran wrote:
hi,
1. Language of the Telos
Benni Baermann wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 29, 2003 at 09:49:19PM +0100, Chris Croome wrote:
>
>>It could also be used for book ideas and what ever, what
>>do people think, anyone else interested in contributing to
>>a site like that?
>
>
> There exists allready a wiki which much oekonux-stuff: www.coforum.de.
>
> You got nearly all Oekonux-Stuff with:
>
> http://coforum.de/index.php4?action=full&KategorieOekonux
>
> Most of it is in german, as you may have guessed ;-)
>
> There was an attempt to try to translate the stuff into english, which
> has startet here:
>
> http://coforum.de/index.php4?OekonuxWasIstWas_English
>
> But is far from beeing complete.
I had a go at reading it, with some help from a German speaker, but
can pick up no more than a vague sense of the content :( - IMHO part
of the problem / solution is this 'language of the telos' thing
referred to in that book 'Empire' – I’ve only read chris's review
http://chris.croome.net/#Late_Capitalism ... and skimmed the chapter
titles of the book, but this 'language of the telos' thing seems to
resonate with the amount of new compounded German words eg.
Selbstentfaltung (... roughly translated to mean 'self-unfolding')
i think what is needed to help us communicate our ideas from one
language to another is a multilingual terminology management system
such as Pangloss - ( functional specification of Pangloss here
http://www.email-lists.org/pipermail/pangloss/2003-March/000009.html )
before moving of the 'Language of the Telos' subject, i thought it may
be worth noting that this word 'Telos' could have at least two
terminology equivalents developed in software production - 'functional
specification' or 'vapour-ware' ;)
2. Primacy of State
on this issue of 'Selbstentfaltung', can i asked the german language
speakers for further explanation ? - the issue that concerns me when i
read the english translation, 'self-unfolding' , is i can't find
anything to do with the 'community-unfolding'
i submit:
a. this 'community-unfolding' comes before, and is responsible
for any individual 'self-unfolding' , and
b. that the relationship between a proposed
'global-unfolded-community-state' and the 'unfolded-individual' will
define the Politics of the proposed 'global-unfolded-community-state'
Why I think this point is important is that the Politics of the
proposed 'global-unfolded-community-state' will be defined primarily
by its mode of production - I submit that the existing
'unfolded-communities' have no Class composition as there is no
extraction of surplus value from one Class by another - I hypothesise
that the 'global-unfolded-community-state' will itself have no Class
composition and the Politics of this state can not be those of Class
domination and Class antagonism.
If the Politics of the new 'global-unfolded-community-state' is not a
Politics of Class, then what is it ?
My guess is that its the Politics of Potentials; firstly the potential
of the 'global-unfolded-community-state' to define and build its telos
/ vapor-ware, and secondly the potential of the 'unfolded-individual'
to a. know how they can help out in the process, and
b. enjoy the common wealth of the state
--
adam
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