Language of the Telos & Primacy of State WAS Re: [ox-en] How about a wiki.oekonux.org site?
- From: Adam Moran <adam diamat.org.uk>
- Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 18:51:33 +0100
1. Language of the Telos
Benni Baermann wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 29, 2003 at 09:49:19PM [PHONE NUMBER REMOVED], Chris Croome wrote:
>>It could also be used for book ideas and what ever, what
>>do people think, anyone else interested in contributing to
>>a site like that?
> There exists allready a wiki which much oekonux-stuff: www.coforum.de.
> You got nearly all Oekonux-Stuff with:
> Most of it is in german, as you may have guessed ;-)
> There was an attempt to try to translate the stuff into english, which
> has startet here:
> But is far from beeing complete.
I had a go at reading it, with some help from a German speaker, but can
pick up no more than a vague sense of the content :( - IMHO part of the
problem / solution is this 'language of the telos' thing referred to in
that book 'Empire' – I’ve only read chris's review
http://chris.croome.net/#Late_Capitalism ... and skimmed the chapter
titles of the book, but this 'language of the telos' thing seems to
resonate with the amount of new compounded German words eg.
Selbstentfaltung (... roughly translated to mean 'self-unfolding')
i think what is needed to help us communicate our ideas from one
language to another is a multilingual terminology management system such
as Pangloss - ( functional specification of Pangloss here
before moving of the 'Language of the Telos' subject, i thought it may
be worth noting that this word 'Telos' could have at least two
terminology equivalents developed in software production - 'functional
specification' or 'vapour-ware' ;)
2. Primacy of State
on this issue of 'Selbstentfaltung', can i asked the german language
speakers for further explanation ? - the issue that concerns me when i
read the english translation, 'self-unfolding' , is i can't find
anything to do with the 'community-unfolding'
a. this 'community-unfolding' comes before, and is responsible for any
individual 'self-unfolding' , and
b. that the relationship between a proposed
'global-unfolded-community-state' and the 'unfolded-individual' will
define the Politics of the proposed 'global-unfolded-community-state'
Why I think this point is important is that the Politics of the proposed
'global-unfolded-community-state' will be defined primarily by its mode
of production - I submit that the existing 'unfolded-communities' have
no Class composition as there is no extraction of surplus value from one
Class by another - I hypothesise that the
'global-unfolded-community-state' will itself have no Class composition
and the Politics of this state can not be those of Class domination and
If the Politics of the new 'global-unfolded-community-state' is not a
Politics of Class, then what is it ?
My guess is that its the Politics of Potentials; firstly the potential
of the 'global-unfolded-community-state' to define and build its telos /
vapor-ware, and secondly the potential of the 'unfolded-individual' to
a. know how they can help out in the process, and
b. enjoy the common wealth of the state