Re: [ox-en] Primacy of Contract WAS Re: Primacy of State
- From: Adam Moran <adam diamat.org.uk>
- Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 10:03:07 +0100
hi
Mon, 8 Sep 2003 Graham Seaman wrote:
On Mon, 8 Sep 2003, Adam Moran wrote:
2. Primacy of State
on this issue of 'Selbstentfaltung', can i asked the german language
speakers for further explanation ? - the issue that concerns me when i
read the english translation, 'self-unfolding' , is i can't find
anything to do with the 'community-unfolding'
I'm not a German speaker (I hope one will reply later ;-)
but my understanding of this from previous discussions is that:
- self-unfolding is inseparable from community-unfolding
thanks graham - i take this point; how can the self unfold into a
community, without a community unfold into the self ... and visa versa ?
what i mean by 'primacy of state' would be better understood if termed
'primacy of contract' ... the contract between the 'I' and the 'We'
i imagine nomads, short of food / in need of rest, being accepted on to
settled land by its inhabitants ... on the understanding that they do
work / pay rent and protect the landlord's land ... the feudal mode of
production is born
what are the politics, the relationship between the 'I' and the 'We',
of feudal states ? when ever one class pumps labour out of another then
the politics of the state is of class dominance and therefore we have a
state of class antagonism
what about the capitalist mode of production ? the serf class are fed up
(fix and fertig ) with the landlords / guild masters, and get lured into
a better contract with merchant capital ... on the understanding that
they produce commodities, re-produce the capital invested and produce
profit for the capitalist ... the capitalist mode of production is born
- better deal huh :( fix
what are the politics of the capitalist state ... well, ditto feudal
above - class antagonism :(
but what about our mode of production ? the working class are fed up
with the capitalists and start writing to each other on the internet :)
some of us decide to share our information freely because that’s the way
were brought up :)
some of us learn to share our information freely because we learn from
others how productive it is, and it feels good ;)
some of us find we have common aspirations and define and achieve telos *g*
what are the politics, the relationship between the 'I' and the 'We', of
our new states ? do the states have a class composition ? no - who would
have thought that ?
marx and engles did - this is pretty much all they wrote about - they
where scholars of aristotle and had read 'the politics'
curiously but not so curiously when you think about it, that's what the
bible's about; a progression from the garden of eden, into slavery and
oppression and then out the other side in cities - the bible's not
reactionary either ... no going back to the garden of eden in this book
- the telos is to live in peace in states - how can it be any other with
population expansion ?
don't get me wrong; i'm not a big fan of the christian god, but i don't
blame 'him' for the problems of this world, i blame men
Yep, I think this again would be one of the commonest oekonux-ish views.
It's something I've had real doubts about which I haven't ever been able
to get over to anyone else, so I'll have another try (though Benni
Baermann's '8 theses on liberation' which I put a draft translation of
into the subversion directory may be relevant here)
- all previous revolutions have claimed to be about freedom for everyone,
but turned out to be mainly about freedom for one group only, so it's
neccesary to be suspicious of any claims like the above
- this one is being preached by a group of highly technically skilled
people. Just the kind of group that might end up as a new class
i really don't think there is a class composition to the states formed
in our mode of production - as long as we are open, reputation is based
on pier-review ... and it's impossible for me to imagine a hierarchy in
n-dimensional space – I guess that’s one of the reasons for forks …
although, like us all, i'm much more interested in mergers ;)
- how to harmonize living standards in different parts of the world which
are starting from very different points (eg. how much transfer does there
need to be from Europe to Africa)
sure, this is why the sooner we start the better - i didn't want to tell
you this before i got to know everyone better but i've got a reason for
take in part in our discussions; i want to write a part of our telos if
we end up doing something a bit more concrete - i've got a sister and
she's dying of a big disease with a little name – aids
living with death is depressing - depressing for the dying; depressing
for the living - one tries to find hope in all around them - during the
recent anti-patent lobby in europe it dawned on me that my sister has
hope of treatment if we could put an end to this idea that information
is property - not only would we be able to afford the drugs but the
drugs would be produced in our new mode of production; a production with
a telos; a production with an end - imagine that, drugs that work !
may be it’s a big dream for us to get started with these tasks so soon;
to me it seems a natural extension of the dream we are already living
i won’t harp on about my sister any more other than to tell you her name
and tell you that she got aids through no fault of her own; she was
violently and repeatedly raped whilst only a child – her name is africa
--
adam
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