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Re: Debian / ox-en And [ox-en] Jonathan

On 26 Feb 2004 at 1:08, Per I. Mathisen wrote:

I do not wish to waste any more time on this issue. Please, Stefan,
would you ban this individual from the list.

I agree wholeheartedly. I have witnessed this process happening many
times before. Above all, realize please that nazis deliberately try to
play innocent and downplay their racism in order to drive naive
liberals to their defense, and thus win a platform for subtly putting
out racist propaganda.

If anything I have seen of this list is that people here are very
well educated and likely to easily see any evidence of subtle racism -
 some may even find the process of seeing it being done
intellectually stimulating.

The most naive way to approach this is to say that this person should
be kicked from the list only when he crosses some invisible line, eg
for posting racism or behaving bad. Nazis deliberately work on the
edges of such lines, stretching it tryingly every now and then,
generating endless and never concluded debates about if he went over
the line this time.

All I'm saying is I don't judge a book by its cover. Even the Bible
says judge not lest ye be judged and I consider that a book of wisdom
if nothing else.

I thought I should actually go read the site before saying anymore,
so I did. The secret stuff is your fairly typical neo-nazi stuff, I
personally find the stuff on satanic & ritual killing websites more
disturbing. The stuff on the front page is pretty wide ranging, there
are articles from the far-right through the environment, anti-
globalisation, software, politics, society, history, conspiracy
theories, science, paeolontology (sp?), education (some of these eg;
the Ivan Illich are copyright and I don't think should legally be on
his site), science fiction, chemistry, law, patents, economics,
psychology and bomb-making. If nothing else, this fellow is bright.

A nazi on the list will be a source of permanent off-topicness. I've
seen it happen so many times, I am not sure I will bother staying
around seeing it happen again.

While he's definitely tilting towards the right and there is a lack
of balanced opinion on his site (there are certain areas of thought
missing), I would tend to broadly agree with around 50% of the kind
of articles he has (the economics, education, software and some of
the history. I'm sympathetic to some of the conspiracy theories but
if you can't prove them then it's pure brain masturbation). The other
stuff like war creating evolution and racial history I think is
flawed because it's too limited - war is one way of creating
evolution, there are many many others which are better at doing so
etc. And there is no such thing are purity of race in a place like
Europe where from well before the Roman Empire there was a very high
flux of genetic material, more than anywhere else except Africa. But
I won't go on, it's off topic.


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