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Re: [ox-en] Peer-to-peer Electricity and p2p theory


the problem with oekenux theory is that you are not allowed to talk
about the  system-confirming aspects of P2P production. This is a
heresy here and many have been burnt for it in the past.

I have found your stuff useful in the past so I will go and look at
the links. Iam glad that you recognise that P2P is productive of
capitalism. This is what I have been finding as I look at the history
of both unix and linux. But it is hard to do this if one is stuck in
the logic of free as in freedom


On 26/09/05, Michael Bouwens <michelsub2003> wrote:
Dear Oekonux-readers:

My apologies for barging in: this is just to announce
my presence on the list, to which I look forward to
participate in the non-technical discussions (I'm not
a programmer/developer).

As some might know, I have been working on a
manuscript on peer to peer theory, which in summary

 - that we are witnessing the birth of a new social
formation, based on the intersubjective dynamics at
work in distributed networks
 - that it has both system-confirming (as the
infrastructure of a new kind of distributed
capitalism) but also system-transcending effects
 - amongst the latter are its expressions as peer
production (which includes, but is not limited to free
software), peer governance, and the new common
property regimes (mostly unlicensed and thus not all
under GPL and associated licences)

In my newsletter, at, I
have recently paid quite a bit of attention to 'P2P
Capitalism' vs. 'P2P Cooperation'developments (see
item headings), which I think are quite of interest to
this list. I have recently starting working more with
thematic issues which recapitulate trends on peer
governance, politics, technology, theory, etc.. For
example the peer to peer electricity item fits in with
issue 94 which will focus on technological

I have been enormously influenced by Oekonux and the
manuscript at
contains several endnotes with Oekonux material.
I am in broad agreement with the GPL Society thesis,
the only difference being that I see free software as
a subset of peer production, but perhaps this list
thinks that as well?

Michel Bauwens

--- magius <gmagius> wrote:

Microgrids as peer-to-peer energy

Alternative energy technologies are falling in price
Small networks of power generators in "microgrids"
could transform the
electricity network in the way that the net changed

(.....)  As an analogy, the microgrids could work
like peer-to-peer
file-sharing technologies, such as BitTorrents,
where demand is split
up and shared around the network of "users".
Contact: projekt

Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005
Contact: projekt

Contact: projekt

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