Re: [ox-en] New economic model for free technology?
- From: Michael Bouwens <michelsub2003 yahoo.com>
- Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 04:33:32 -0700 (PDT)
by the way Franz and STephan, if I do not respond
directly, it just means that I have not anything to
add at a particular moment.
As I said before, I find that a fourfold typology of
Alan Fiske is more interesting and realistic than the
dichotomy between market and mutual support. I believe
in the germ theory, but am cautious that it is not
espoused as a 'natural law'. I think we still need
politics. Thus, in my research, I'm trying to find a
transitory strategy from 'here' to 'there', that
responds to the interplay of the four kinds of human
relationships, and can be the basis of a political
movement, which is in fact coalescing as we speak.
I'm at a point where 1) I have a good idea of P2P
emergence in various fields 2) on which shifts it is
based; 3) a basic idea of the transitory mechanism.
But I still need a lot of work on the philosophical
underpinning and have not even started at thinking
about a positive political program yet.
However, what I think is important is to be
integrative in terms of social change, not choose P2P
exclusively and dismiss other attempts such as the
complementary currency and basic income movements ,but
find a way that these efforts coalesce in a virtuous
I have not read Shuboff's book in detail, only
mentioned it in my newsletter, but I think she still
is beholden to the consumer paradigm, i.e. a new type
of companies providing 'support' for consumers. But I
may be mistaken.
--- Franz Nahrada <f.nahrada reflex.at> wrote:
list-en oekonux.org on Mittwoch, 5. Oktober 2005 at
10:38 Uhr +0100 wrote:
Franz, I agree with your point, I was just assuming
that those with funds, would write out the specs.
I'm also not sure that peer groups would always be
able to represent the common interest, without any
intermediation by the state as representative of
'public' in its totality.
The underlying logic is always the same, I do not
believe in a pure 'peer to peer' utopia, but in
something intermediary in which it is dominant, but
Michael, thats what we have to build!
I am very impatient with the "purely theoretical"
approach of oekonux. I
think good theory is always a practical operational
hypothesis of people
with deep practical interests.
And I think the thought model of "Germ Form" is very
helpful to conceive
our work. We should agree on the Germ Form
hypothesis because it is at
least a liberating hypothesis, opening our eyes to
new possibilities and
The germ form is also not a form which replaces
other forms completely,
but can become dominant through various stages.
I think we see ifferent models where "a copernican
shift" is perceived
where value-creation is transforming from exchange
value on markets
(historically exhausted - Krisis theory) to use
value in households
(historically unlimited - at least from our current
And if you look closer at the "Theory of Support
Economy" by Shoshanna
Zuboff from Harward business school, she expresses
that copernican shift
in her own terms:
"In 1994 I realized that I no longer believed in the
progressive vision of
the corporation espoused in much of my work. I
decided to take some time
out from publishing for study and reflection, in
order to see if I could
find a new way forward in the field of management.
That began a
decade-long intellectual journey from which I
concluded that today's
managerial capitalism has reached the limits of its
Instead of being the engine of wealth creation, it
has become the obstacle
to wealth creation. The society of the twenty-first
century requires a new
approach to capitalism that I call "distributed
see much more at
Now you know that I am even still much closer to
Frithhof Bergmanns ideas
of self-determination and demarketisation, but we
have to find the right
mix between these ideas to understand the complex
reality unfolding. Not
only that, we must intervene, not only as actors,
but also as mediators
and catalyzers, try to influence governments and
corporations to speed up
the development process that we foresee. They can be
VERY useful for our
goals and for the common good, if working in the
right perspective. The
perspective is that of unfolding individual and
That could be the collective mission that is born
within the Oekonux
The third conference 2004 has paved the way towards
this goal but we have
still very little results of what we have discussed
and planned then. We
are still stuck in old discussions and schemes. I
interventions here because they bring fresh spirit
from movers and shakers!
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