Re: [ox-en] New economic model for free technology?
- From: Michael Bouwens <michelsub2003 yahoo.com>
- Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 22:11:07 -0700 (PDT)
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Ha, I just rediscover that there is a Stefan Merten and a Mz also, I may have confused both of you in the past.
The discussion below refers to a analytical problem I am troubled with. In analysing peer to peer production processes, it does seem to me that the cooperation is impersonal and loose, rather than personal as in premodern times. Is there any potential for a 'dialectical synthesis' of both aspects, or is P2P indeed only impersonal, but than without alienation, as you say below? Has anyone worked on this, and also, can someone refer me to the work of St. Mz where he outlines the differences between personal concrete, personal abstract.
So do we have in fs/peer production the scheme
from personal concrete (premodern) via impersonal abstract (capitalism, modernity) to personal abstract
or should the third term be: impersonal abstract but without alienation or
impersonal concrete ??
If anyone feels inspired to detail this again, I would appreciate it, I intend to talk about it in a new section of my manuscript,
One more question, what is an OHA system?
Michel Bauwens
As far as mutual support on a personal level is concerned I'd
understand this as the kind of cooperation typical for the
pre-capitalist age (StefanMz would probably say "personal concrete").
This, however, is something which needs to be overcome then. (StefanMz
would probably say "personal abstract".)
However, I think it is important to not loose the perspective of
capitalism as organizing mutual support. A GPL society needs to
overcome this abstract form of mutual support by another abstract
scheme with no alienation build in. May be that is the most difficult
thing to imagine at all. Fortunately Free Software presents a model
where this works :-) .
The beauty
of the market is that it unbinds humans from cooperation constraints, that
there is permanent negociation and renegociation on terms of cooperation.
The downside of the market is that it rewards the successful and creates a
self-destructive feedback cycle of inequality, where negociations end up
as formal cover of absolutely determined difference in means.
The germ form basically limits the need for negociations in providing more
means for everyone, by multiplying them to the point that competition
becomes useless and cooperation is the only choice. But it is still and
increasingly "voluntary cooperation", and society is giving its "passive
agreement" on the actions of voluntary cooperators. Society still relies
on a system of checks and balance, but in a form that if a need arises it
will most likely be expressed by an active individual or group that fills
what society is missing.
There is big argument between Stefan and me if that is really
enough.
Certainly not. It needs an OHA system integrating these individual
activities. How this may look like is probably what is really hard to
imagine. However, I could imagine that we are just to much tied to
what we know to imagine this.
Mit Freien Grüßen
Stefan
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