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Re: [ox-en] New economic model for free technology?



Hi Franz and all!

2 weeks (19 days) ago Franz Nahrada wrote:
Let me explain more because Stefan might rightfully intervene on this
fluffy remark based on abstractions from dominant economic theory:

Here I am ;-) .

Of course "market" and "household" are limited models to understand
economic reality, and yet we see two ontological schemes where on one side
we have exchange on the other side we have mutual cooperation.

It's a bit hard to know what you mean exactly but as you say it you
are talking of mutual support on a personal level. I mean there is
mutual support all over capitalism but it is mediated by money so I
don't think you are talking of this.

As far as mutual support on a personal level is concerned I'd
understand this as the kind of cooperation typical for the
pre-capitalist age (StefanMz would probably say "personal concrete").
This, however, is something which needs to be overcome then. (StefanMz
would probably say "personal abstract".)

However, I think it is important to not loose the perspective of
capitalism as organizing mutual support. A GPL society needs to
overcome this abstract form of mutual support by another abstract
scheme with no alienation build in. May be that is the most difficult
thing to imagine at all. Fortunately Free Software presents a model
where this works :-) .

The beauty
of the market is that it unbinds humans from cooperation constraints, that
there is permanent negociation and renegociation on terms of cooperation.
The downside of the market is that it rewards the successful and creates a
self-destructive feedback cycle of inequality, where negociations end up
as formal cover of absolutely determined difference in means.

The germ form basically limits the need for negociations in providing more
means for everyone, by multiplying them to the point that competition
becomes useless and cooperation is the only choice. But it is still and
increasingly "voluntary cooperation", and society is giving its "passive
agreement" on the actions of voluntary cooperators. Society still relies
on a system of checks and balance, but in a form that if a need arises it
will most likely be expressed by an active individual or group that fills
what society is missing.

There is big argument between Stefan and me if that is really
enough.

Certainly not. It needs an OHA system integrating these individual
activities. How this may look like is probably what is really hard to
imagine. However, I could imagine that we are just to much tied to
what we know to imagine this.


						Mit Freien Grüßen

						Stefan

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