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Re: The nature of apple trees (was: Re: [ox-en] apples and moonfruits)



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is socialism with free markets  possible/good ?

with:
no exploitation (no capitalism)
participative democracy
no monopoly (at least private ones)
no herency/legacy (I dont know english word)
al capital dividends go to state
etc

what is p2p insertion in these political program?



Just a few quick thoughts :
Maybe because many can seem to stop trying to get more of it ?
If we used apples instead, then maybe it would be easier to realize that,
well,
enough is enough !^^!

“Only when the last tree has been felled, the last river poisoned and
the last fish caught, man will know, that he cannot eat money”.
                                             # Old Indian Chief (unknown)

I don't see anything better to replace money as of now, but there are
definitely problems
in regards to money don't you think ?

Has anyone seen the document "let's make money." ?


the problem of capitalism is exploitation, "money trickery" and "money
actual
extrange loops" are part of that problem, but you can have other money
systems
in other forms of exploitation or cooperation


cant agree more. i defenitely can do without capitalism (as an attitude
to
exploit others to make more and more money); but while exchange and money
certainly have their drawbacks, it has contributed also quite a bit
towards
development of mankind. imv, money is a very pragmatic and effective tool
to
get whats needed and it depends on the people what and how the tool is
used
for.

im wondering on basis of what real world evidence one can be so 200% sure
that a world without money and exchange is more effective, desireable and
better?!? on basis of wikipedia (it exists for how many months now and is
quite actively calling for financial suppport?) or open source software
(e.g. drop the financial support of the googles, ibms und suns and what
useful piece of software is left?!?)

for me its seems a more logical way to modify and improve an existing
exchange based system, which has drawbacks, but also proven itself over
time
and contributed to overall progress of mankind.

btw, ive been supporting os and cc over the past 7+ years, have invested
lots of time for and energy into it and most certainly want them to
succeed.

cheers,
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  Amine Chadly
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